Maths Homework
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Once again it's Sunday night., Once again I'm trying to help my daughter with her maths homework. They've been good at inventing new systems since I went to school, and while I can often get to the end answer, it's a different way to the current teaching.
Having been out for lunch beer intake is not helping me much.....
Any one any idea how this works? I'm a little clueless at present.....
Having been out for lunch beer intake is not helping me much.....
Any one any idea how this works? I'm a little clueless at present.....
Brace yourself ... http://www.mumsnet.com/learning/maths/what-an-arra... and http://www.mumsnet.com/learning/maths/grid-method-...
Edited by bigandclever on Sunday 18th October 16:54
bigandclever said:
Brace yourself ... http://www.mumsnet.com/learning/maths/grid-method-...
OP's example doesn't fit that though. The grid in the OP's post completely discards any notion of "10s", apparently - unless someone's filled in the first row and column incorrectly (i.e. 4 should be 40 and 6 should be 60).
marshalla said:
bigandclever said:
Brace yourself ... http://www.mumsnet.com/learning/maths/grid-method-...
OP's example doesn't fit that though. The grid in the OP's post completely discards any notion of "10s", apparently - unless someone's filled in the first row and column incorrectly (i.e. 4 should be 40 and 6 should be 60).
Always hated maths and never really grasped it; odd considering my mum's profiency and lovefor it.
Back in the day, that sum would have been relatively easy to work out using long multiplication; however I can't remember how to do it now, but they always seem to spring new ways to do it which seem much more protracted than the old way.
Anyway, my two are 16 and 23 so I don't have to worry about maths homework anymore; thank God.
Back in the day, that sum would have been relatively easy to work out using long multiplication; however I can't remember how to do it now, but they always seem to spring new ways to do it which seem much more protracted than the old way.
Anyway, my two are 16 and 23 so I don't have to worry about maths homework anymore; thank God.
basically from what I have come to understand from my 2 daughters maths home work the new system of teaching mathematics is designed to be far more complicated than the way that previous generations were taught (several generations..) and is designed to make sure they are completely unable to work anything out in their heads at all.....
They are frequently sent home with mathematics homework without any explaination of how they are meant to show how they came to their answers and then teachers become upset when you teach them how to do it the way you were taught and the kids instantly understand it -
BUT its not the way they teach it now... so dont do it that way!
just another ludicrous change to our education system to the detriment of the next generation.
They are frequently sent home with mathematics homework without any explaination of how they are meant to show how they came to their answers and then teachers become upset when you teach them how to do it the way you were taught and the kids instantly understand it -
BUT its not the way they teach it now... so dont do it that way!
just another ludicrous change to our education system to the detriment of the next generation.
hedgefinder said:
basically from what I have come to understand from my 2 daughters maths home work the new system of teaching mathematics is designed to be far more complicated than the way that previous generations were taught (several generations..) and is designed to make sure they are completely unable to work anything out in their heads at all.....
They are frequently sent home with mathematics homework without any explaination of how they are meant to show how they came to their answers and then teachers become upset when you teach them how to do it the way you were taught and the kids instantly understand it -
BUT its not the way they teach it now... so dont do it that way!
just another ludicrous change to our education system to the detriment of the next generation.
Utter rubbish. There's a million ways to get the right result in maths, and everyone assumes they way they were taught is the easy common sense way and every other way is more complex and daft. It's a basic sign of old age to moan about the way your kids are taught maths. See the recent thread on maths in the science section to explore this further. They are frequently sent home with mathematics homework without any explaination of how they are meant to show how they came to their answers and then teachers become upset when you teach them how to do it the way you were taught and the kids instantly understand it -
BUT its not the way they teach it now... so dont do it that way!
just another ludicrous change to our education system to the detriment of the next generation.
Both my kids were taught to multiply with the bridging method, which I thought was far more difficult than my milk bottles on the doorstep method. But they both went on to do A level maths without any problem so there was nothing wrong with their method. I only did maths to O level so they are both far more advanced with their maths than I am.
Whatever method the kids are using this week is almost certainly fine. It's just different.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Utter rubbish. There's a million ways to get the right result in maths, and everyone assumes they way they were taught is the easy common sense way and every other way is more complex and daft. It's a basic sign of old age to moan about the way your kids are taught maths. See the recent thread on maths in the science section to explore this further.
Both my kids were taught to multiply with the bridging method, which I thought was far more difficult than my milk bottles on the doorstep method. But they both went on to do A level maths without any problem so there was nothing wrong with their method. I only did maths to O level so they are both far more advanced with their maths than I am.
Whatever method the kids are using this week is almost certainly fine. It's just different.
I also did A level mathematics ... which has bugger all to do with it.Both my kids were taught to multiply with the bridging method, which I thought was far more difficult than my milk bottles on the doorstep method. But they both went on to do A level maths without any problem so there was nothing wrong with their method. I only did maths to O level so they are both far more advanced with their maths than I am.
Whatever method the kids are using this week is almost certainly fine. It's just different.
please explain to me why when my kids found the way I was taught much easier to learn and picked it up in a matter of hours were then
stopped from using this method at school?
The old methods involve a very small amount of calculation, the newer methods tend to require an entire a4 page of calculations to reach the same result...
And just to add, at no point at all did I ever state anything regarding the new methods ending in the wrong results. My main complaint is that in the past they have regularly been sent home with homework with absolutely no explaination as to how the teacher requires them to show how they calculated their end result.... yet the parents are expected to assist...using methods completely alien to them and not the way they usually complete the calculations..
hedgefinder said:
My main complaint is that in the past they have regularly been sent home with homework with absolutely no explaination as to how the teacher requires them to show how they calculated their end result.... yet the parents are expected to assist...using methods completely alien to them and not the way they usually complete the calculations..
This. Does my nut in.I don't understand what the boxes are for? Do you just have to add it all up?
I would have just worked out 48x6 (then add a 0 on the end) and then 48x4 and add them together.
Actually doable on your head too (maybe not for a kid but, you know, that's the great thing about being an adult)
I would have just worked out 48x6 (then add a 0 on the end) and then 48x4 and add them together.
Actually doable on your head too (maybe not for a kid but, you know, that's the great thing about being an adult)
Butter Face said:
I don't understand what the boxes are for? Do you just have to add it all up?
I would have just worked out 48x6 (then add a 0 on the end) and then 48x4 and add them together.
Actually doable on your head too (maybe not for a kid but, you know, that's the great thing about being an adult)
Ok I think I know what the boxes are for,they've already been filled in with the answers, but I go wrong after that somehow I would have just worked out 48x6 (then add a 0 on the end) and then 48x4 and add them together.
Actually doable on your head too (maybe not for a kid but, you know, that's the great thing about being an adult)
6x4=24 6x8=48 24+48=72
8x4=32 8x8=64 32+64=96
Yabu said:
Butter Face said:
I don't understand what the boxes are for? Do you just have to add it all up?
I would have just worked out 48x6 (then add a 0 on the end) and then 48x4 and add them together.
Actually doable on your head too (maybe not for a kid but, you know, that's the great thing about being an adult)
Ok I think I know what the boxes are for,they've already been filled in with the answers, but I go wrong after that somehow I would have just worked out 48x6 (then add a 0 on the end) and then 48x4 and add them together.
Actually doable on your head too (maybe not for a kid but, you know, that's the great thing about being an adult)
6x4=24 6x8=48 24+48=72
8x4=32 8x8=64 32+64=96
I don't understand the bizarre, fandangled ways children are now taught relatively basic maths.
Approaching 48 x 68, I was taught...
1. (10 x 68) x 4 = 2720
2. 8 x 60 = 480
3. 8 x 8 = 64
4. 2720 + 480 = 3200
5. 3200 + 64 = 3264
Why the need for grids? Part of a child's maths development is to remember the numbers they're working with in order develop their mental arithmetic skills.
Approaching 48 x 68, I was taught...
1. (10 x 68) x 4 = 2720
2. 8 x 60 = 480
3. 8 x 8 = 64
4. 2720 + 480 = 3200
5. 3200 + 64 = 3264
Why the need for grids? Part of a child's maths development is to remember the numbers they're working with in order develop their mental arithmetic skills.
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