Any Finnish PHers? The Finnish Baby Box

[littlegreenfairy]

Are there any Finnish PHers in the house? I've been looking at the official Finnish baby box and it seems you cannot purchase it to be shipped to the UK but was wondering if it is possible to get it shipped to Norway (seeing as I'm going to be there in a few weeks). I can't quite see where you buy it either but hope some clever person might know the answer.

There is a company that sells a version but it starts at €400 which is a bit steep.

I know this isn't Mumsnet but I'd rather get some proper suggestions rather than a load of hysterical nonsense regarding a baby sleeping in a cardboard box. I think it is a bloody brilliant idea.

Plan B involves a washing basket.

Thanks

[C0ffin D0dger]

littlegreenfairy said:

Are there any Finnish PHers in the house? I've been looking at the official Finnish baby box and it seems you cannot purchase it to be shipped to the UK but was wondering if it is possible to get it shipped to Norway (seeing as I'm going to be there in a few weeks). I can't quite see where you buy it either but hope some clever person might know the answer.

There is a company that sells a version but it starts at €400 which is a bit steep.

I know this isn't Mumsnet but I'd rather get some proper suggestions rather than a load of hysterical nonsense regarding a baby sleeping in a cardboard box. I think it is a bloody brilliant idea.

Plan B involves a washing basket.

Thanks

What you'll soon come to realise within a day or two of baby being born is they'll never sleep in the places you want them to and that actually for the first three months at least they'll sleep next to Mum in the double bed. Dad will be in the spare room or on the sofa. You might get lucky and they'll have a day time nap in the box. So yeah I have absolutely no problem with anyone buying a glorified cardboard box for a baby to sleep in, so long as you don't put the lid on

Just so happened that our cot's mattress was at the same height as our bed when set to the highest level so we took one of the sides off and had that up against our bed. At least then when the little one had dozed of they could be carefully manoeuvred into the cot but still be close to Mum for reassurance, feeding etc.

That's enough Mumsnet from me today

[Hugo a Gogo]

the box isn't the main attraction

all the stuff in there is, a complete basic set of what you may need

400 euro seems expensive to me though

re: the bed attached to mum's side of the bed, that is a great idea for breast-feeding mums

search baby-bay on ebay for a 2nd hand one

[Du1point8]

You don't buy the baby box, Finnish government give it to all newborns.

If you want I can ask SWMBO for more info?

(She's Finnish)

[cirian75]

any pictures?

[Cotty]

littlegreenfairy said:

Are there any Finnish PHers in the house? I've been looking at the official Finnish baby box and it seems you cannot purchase it to be shipped to the UK

http://www.finnishbabybox.co/

"Finnish Baby Boxes have been sent already to over 30 countries"

[marshalla]

What about : http://www.finnishbabybox.co/pages/faqs ? Ships to UK according to FAQ.

[ali_kat]

LGF - I hadn't realised, congratulations!!

Du1point8 said:

You don't buy the baby box, Finnish government give it to all newborns.

If you want I can ask SWMBO for more info?

(She's Finnish)

Only the Finnish ones, other Countries have to buy it e499 for the normal box, e599 for the Moomin one

[LaurasOtherHalf]

What's the matter with a Moses basket next to the bed?

[marshalla]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

What's the matter with a Moses basket next to the bed?

Floods.

[Hugo a Gogo]

lifting them in and out

more awkward for a half-asleep mum to lift them out, she has to sit up

awkward putting them back again, they wake up

baby-bay is awesome

[loafer123]

C0ffin D0dger said:

...actually for the first three months at least they'll sleep next to Mum in the double bed.

Please don't do this. As the woman MP who recenty talked movingly about the loss of her 5 day old son said, it has a major correlation with Sudden Infant Death Syndrome.

[Hugo a Gogo]

I don't think that is true

there are risks with babies sharing beds with people who may be drunk, maybe very overweight etc, but co-sleeping is very common all over the world and most countries do not have the rate of SIDS that we do in the western world

here is some reading:
http://babyreference.com/cosleepingsidsfactsheet-h...

[loafer123]

Maybe I am being over cautious, but the advice from an article in the BMJ is here:

http://www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h1989

Extract:

The bottom line
-Sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) remains the leading cause of death between 1 month and 1 year of age

-Placing infants in the prone position (on their stomach) to sleep and exposure to maternal smoking are major risk factors for SIDS

-Infants born preterm are at four times the risk compared with infants born at term

-The safest place for infants to sleep is in the parental bedroom in their own cot and in close proximity to parents to allow for feeding and comforting; sleeping on a sofa or couch with an infant is extremely dangerous

-Bed sharing with infants is a risk factor for SIDS—infants are at highest risk if younger than 3 months or if the parents smoke, use illicit drugs, or consume alcohol

-Breast feeding decreases the risk of SIDS and therefore mothers should be encouraged to breast feed for this reason and other health benefits

[hornetrider]

C0ffin D0dger said:

and that actually for the first three months at least they'll sleep next to Mum in the double bed.

No they won't.

[Hugo a Gogo]

loafer123 said:

Maybe I am being over cautious, but the advice from an article in the BMJ is here:

http://www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h1989

Extract:

The bottom line
-Sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) remains the leading cause of death between 1 month and 1 year of age

-Placing infants in the prone position (on their stomach) to sleep and exposure to maternal smoking are major risk factors for SIDS

-Infants born preterm are at four times the risk compared with infants born at term

-The safest place for infants to sleep is in the parental bedroom in their own cot and in close proximity to parents to allow for feeding and comforting; sleeping on a sofa or couch with an infant is extremely dangerous

-Bed sharing with infants is a risk factor for SIDS—infants are at highest risk if younger than 3 months or if the parents smoke, use illicit drugs, or consume alcohol

-Breast feeding decreases the risk of SIDS and therefore mothers should be encouraged to breast feed for this reason and other health benefits

that's a big step back from 'a major correlation'

I've not read anything that says just sharing a bed with the mother is higher risk for actual SIDS

'bed sharing' in that definition could be with other bigger kids or adults

[Du1point8]

hornetrider said:

C0ffin D0dger said:

and that actually for the first three months at least they'll sleep next to Mum in the double bed.

No they won't.

Finnish babies are often left outside in the cold to sleep, or when mum goes to coffee shop the prism is parked up and left outside with new baby in there... Weird to see a row of prams like this in winter time

[Hugo a Gogo]

my 4 have all slept outside in their prams during the day quite a lot

[loafer123]

Hugo a Gogo said:

loafer123 said:

Maybe I am being over cautious, but the advice from an article in the BMJ is here:

http://www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h1989

Extract:

The bottom line
-Sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) remains the leading cause of death between 1 month and 1 year of age

-Placing infants in the prone position (on their stomach) to sleep and exposure to maternal smoking are major risk factors for SIDS

-Infants born preterm are at four times the risk compared with infants born at term

-The safest place for infants to sleep is in the parental bedroom in their own cot and in close proximity to parents to allow for feeding and comforting; sleeping on a sofa or couch with an infant is extremely dangerous

-Bed sharing with infants is a risk factor for SIDS—infants are at highest risk if younger than 3 months or if the parents smoke, use illicit drugs, or consume alcohol

-Breast feeding decreases the risk of SIDS and therefore mothers should be encouraged to breast feed for this reason and other health benefits

that's a big step back from 'a major correlation'

I've not read anything that says just sharing a bed with the mother is higher risk for actual SIDS

'bed sharing' in that definition could be with other bigger kids or adults

I take back "major correlation" and give you "risk factor".

I think, however, that "bed sharing" quoted is in the context of with the mother and father. To be with others would be pretty rare and hardly, statistically, a risk factor.

[Hugo a Gogo]

yes, looking into it there is a correlation, for babies under 3months

I think the baby bay attached cot thingmy is the best compromise