Looking into a C63 (Facelift)

[irfan1712]

Hi All,

I have owned my R32 for two years now and I feel im ready for a change and a step up to a C63, which ive had my eye since they forever. I have a company car coming in a few weeks which means my R32 can finally get a rest, but that does mean I can justify something a lot more spicy as it will now only be a weekend car.

I have also read nearly every thread on here and a couple on the MB forums, most make a very interesting read!

I'm basically after more up to date opinions on living with a 63, and more specifically which options are generally must haves and ones that are a bit over hyped or not needed. The options Im only really bothered about are:

-DAB Command multimedia (is it really as clumsy as people make out? are there any connectivity issues with iPhone 6s's, and do all Command systems have ipod intergration as standard?)

-HK Audio (worth looking for or I could just upgrade standard speakers myself?)

-19'' Black Multispokes

-LSD (im never going to track the car but I see mixed views on having one for a daily, so I assume I should just find a car with one!)

- Intelligent Lighting (I do lots of night driving with work and I think bendy lights will be great)

- Reverse Camera/illuminated sills are petty but a nice bonus

- Coloured Leather - ive lived with black leather and while I like it, I do want something a bit more special. I have found one in the classifieds with toffee coloured leather and while personal preference I think it looks fantastic, as does red or red/black combos. Do the bolsters wear easily?


As daft as it sounds, I haven't decided on Coupe or Saloon, simply because I love both. I don't need the extra space of the saloon over a coupe, but I cant help but think a saloon's proportions looks slightly better. Seeing a coupe in person does sway me both ways though. Im after one in White, black being a second option.

Currently looking at Edition 125 variants of both, and while PPP cars can be found in my budget (Circa £30/£35k max) the only thing putting me off is the price of those discs.

Lastly, If I didn't go down the PPP route and found a standard 457bhp car, I would consider a remap - those who have had this done ( I understand Eurocharged are the peoples champ?) how much difference has it made.. is it as good as people make out?

im after a facelift car - are there any minor changes to facelift cars over the years they are made regarding media or any other components or are they all identical?


I appreciate all your comments and advice.

thanks!

Irfan

Edited by irfan1712 on Friday 6th November 13:46

[DTB77]

Hello. I have a 457bhp facelift C63 coupe with relatively few additional options, but it already comes with quite a bit of kit as standard so I've never felt like I was missing out on anything.

I'm not sure if the panoramic sunroof was an option or standard but definitely worth having.

I find the Comand system pretty good, way better than the Porsche equivalent in my previous gen 1 Cayman S (audio, sat nav, phone and functionality). I listen to DAB most of the time, and although it cuts out occasionally, it does the job and to my relatively uncultured ears, the sound is perfectly decent. I haven't managed to get the system to integrate fully with my 6S yet but I can stream music and use the phone via bluetooth.

I think the 19" wheels are a must and particularly in black, to distinguish the C63 from a limo/taxi. Visually I think the coupe looks awkward on 18's - they probably ride better but I don't really care.

I've never once felt that I *needed* an LSD - but perhaps I just don't drive hard enough. Likewise with the extra power, I've never once felt that I *needed* it, but let's be honest, you can never have too much power!

[hungry_hog]

I have a C63 coupe (W204), and also came from an R32 (mark 5). Hopefully the below gives you some pointers.

The reversing camera is handy (parking where I live is pretty tight). The car is deceptively long (actually longer than the saloon I believe). I think the sensors are standard.
The standard stereo is ok (better than the R32, which is not saying much!). Speakers are a bit tinny.
Comand system is pretty good and intuitive, bluetooth link with phone works great
Standard exhaust is plenty loud enough. Some people mod them, I think they sound a bit strange modded.
19' wheels essential for looks IMO, ride is fine with them
Boot is a decent size, rear seats fine too (bigger than most comparable coupes)
Lovely steering feel
Running costs are quite heavy. Tax £505, my insurance is £1500 (car parked on street). Just had the "A" service with discs, was £1100. Cost more to run than my 996. Tyres not too expensive as they are narrow(ish), although they don't last too long!

Performance is completely mental, a tickle of the throttle and you are touching 60 leptons. Restraint required to avoid wheelspin / loss of license. The crazy noise eggs you on as well!

Note - there are original and facelift versions of the saloon. Some people say the original looks more aggressive.
Coupe is facelift only as only appeared in 2011

Although I have the coupe, the saloon looks great value to me. There is also a wagon version.

A great car and all rounder. Car attracts positive attention, admittedly mainly from "rudeboi" types.

Edited by hungry_hog on Saturday 7th November 00:25

[garylythgoe]

Hi,

I've just bought a W204 C63 Coupe, in Obsidian black, with black leather.

As already said, the car is well specced as standard, and mine is an Edition 125.

Pan Roof is standard AFAIK (used to think it was an option, but it's standard on my spec sheet).

My car has the 19's, the tints, and reversing camera.

I'll answer each point below:-

irfan1712 said:

-DAB Command multimedia (is it really as clumsy as people make out? are there any connectivity issues with iPhone 6s's, and do all Command systems have ipod intergration as standard?)

I think it's ok, it's fine once you get used to it. Streams music and does calls etc from my 6S, but won't integrate to the command online thing which is fine by me, as I just like driving the car.

irfan1712 said:

-HK Audio (worth looking for or I could just upgrade standard speakers myself?)

I think the standard system is ok, it goes up to a decent volume and passengers think it sounds decent.

irfan1712 said:

-19'' Black Multispokes

A must for visual reasons IMHO.

irfan1712 said:

-LSD (im never going to track the car but I see mixed views on having one for a daily, so I assume I should just find a car with one!)

To 'use' a LSD, you need to be driving beyond the possible limits on 99% of british roads IMO. I'm not the stig, I dont want to drive it like the stig, so I haven't even once thought that I needed it. My last 3 cars all has slippy diffs too. I don't want to drive like a wally in it.

irfan1712 said:

- Intelligent Lighting (I do lots of night driving with work and I think bendy lights will be great)

I think this is standard?

irfan1712 said:

- Reverse Camera/illuminated sills are petty but a nice bonus

Reversing camera is a must for me.

irfan1712 said:

- Coloured Leather - ive lived with black leather and while I like it, I do want something a bit more special. I have found one in the classifieds with toffee coloured leather and while personal preference I think it looks fantastic, as does red or red/black combos. Do the bolsters wear easily?

Last 2 cars had red/black interiors. I hated the red interiors, and I hated the two tone interiors in person.

Yes the bolsters can wear easily if you're not careful getting in and out, there's a few threads on it.

irfan1712 said:

Lastly, If I didn't go down the PPP route and found a standard 457bhp car, I would consider a remap - those who have had this done ( I understand Eurocharged are the peoples champ?) how much difference has it made.. is it as good as people make out?

Just enjoy the car, I haven't once thought 'Do you know what, for the sake of my warranty I need to go even quicker'. It's beyond quick enough for the road, and can easily struggle for traction. Horses for courses, but I'd just enjoy it rather than worrying about increasing the level of power.

[irfan1712]

Excellent responses guys, thank you for your input!

I have decided on a Coupe, and just for the sake of it and if it means waiting longer, one with the PPP pack.

i'm an audiophile so i've also decided the HK and DAB is a must, and i'm still not sure on the intelligent lighting as some c63 ads i've seen make a point of advertising this where as others don't mention it at all, which makes me believe it was infact an option..but I know I want my car to have it. reverse camera I can always have fitted afterwards..so im less bothered by it. and I think if I can find a car with an LSD then i'll be happy, however, I can always get a Quaife one fitted at a later date should my car not have it.

I've also seen some lary colour combo's, but i'm sticking with a White coupe and ideally red leather and will probably pass on the two tone. I do like the idea of Opal Fire red but my MK5 R32 is currently Tornado Red so I wouldn't mind a change.

I found these, but their out of my budget but a few grand. I feel their actually over priced but im guessing dealers are adding premiums because of the PPP pack and the fact their a coupe which generally seems to ask for more money anyway..but both cars fit the bill perfectly!

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2015...

although one doesnt have the PPP, il try and see atleast one of these this weekend and see if theres movement to be made on the price.


Irfan

[1Addicted]

Hi Irfan,

I'm a C63 coupe owner, and I have experience of driving two with different options (one is my brothers); they are both Edition 125 cars.

DAB is standard on the 125, as is COMAND. There are two standards of COMAND, a basic small screen version which has a grey/black background colour and COMAND Online which has a larger screen and a yellow/black background. I've only ever seen the COMAND Online in Edition 125 and the lesser unit in non-AMG cars. That said, there's a Black Series for sale on MB's Approved Used website that appears smaller and grey, but perhaps poor picture. Hopefully someone can put this to rest, but with Ed 125 you should be safe.

My brothers car has HK and mine does not. I'm a bit of an audio freak and nearly discounted my car before viewing however, the standard kit is very good, gets compliments and shakes the mirror. It is infinitely better than any standard system I've heard in any BMW, better than their mid-range system and in all honesty not far off BMW's HK system if you've heard any of those (I am Ex-M3). The C63 standard system of course is not as good as HK, as HK offers more felixibilty in settings and punch but the difference is not a canyon wide as it is in other cars.

19" black multi-spoke wheels with a polished lip were a trademark of the Edition 125 and then were an option thereafter the Ed125. If you get any different, they have been fitted "aftermarket" or completely refurbished, likely due to the original set suffering cracks. This I warn you does happen as a result of bad roads, skinny tyres and perhaps a little less than is ideal robustness of the alloy wheel. This isn't unique to the C63 or any other marque for that matter but it is a pain. Both of us have been through a set of original wheels as they all cracked. We both had them replaced FOC by MB after kicking off, but interestingly we now both have replica Edition 125 wheels fitted which have stood the test and are in fact almost equally as heavy. We have stored our "original" wheels for the day that we sell the cars.

My car has LSD, brother's doesn't. Honestly the only time mine got cleanly away from him was on a couple of bends at Brands Hatch where he struggled a tiny bit to power out. On the road, we can both break traction similarly, but maybe mine can hookup better in the wet and standing launches; on a roll it's marginal at best. The standard car has an eLSD that is brake controlled, which is a decent piece of kit, allows you to write 11's or drift if you so wish but most importantly aids you in putting down the power much like a mechanical LSD does. You also get this eLSD feature if you have the AMG differential so you're covered twice, if you like but evening driving hard down country lanes last Summer in my brothers car I could t say I missed a mechanical LSD, it felt just like mine. The internet is full of posts, some poorly informed or without experience, about missing a mechanical LSD on this car, much like those that say you can only get through British Winter on Winter tyres in it but, these really aren't true unless you are a ridiculously hard driver on the street, and I mean well against the law. If you can find a car with a mechanical LSD then of course get it but for me it's not a deal breaker, you can get much better results on the street by fitting good tyres and you'd not know you had an open differential but, if it bothers you a Quaife for approx £1700 can be fitted but I'd suggest doing track days to appreciate it.

I'd like to tell you now that LSD was an option on both Performance Pack cars and standard cars.

Intelligent lighting i believe is standard. It's easy to tell a car without it as it's written on the side of the projector lens housing. Quite quirky, but not really a major difference in lighting that doesn't adapt to the road if I'm honest.

Reverse camera. I never use it, don't trust it, I can park the thing myself and the parking sensors are actually somewhat more helpful anyway if not a little too cautious. Note, the car should also have park assist, which scans the area around your car and guides you into parallel park with steering prompts. Again, good if you cannot park (or drive?), my brother is ok without a camera and he's used to stubby-er hot hatchbacks.

Leather. For me, all black, all tan or all red. I have black, brother has red and his bolster wear is a little apparent now where mine is not. I've seen this many times on red leather, just something to be aware of with this colour.

My brother has a Performance Pack and I don't. Off the line there's not much in it when but up the MPH's it did pull away I guess due to more HP and lighter crank. I decided to Eurocharge myself and the tables turned the other way so, he followed suit and now it's fair to say both are neck and neck; mine even made more HP (516bhp vs 511bhp) but variance in driver input seems to decide outcome. Regardless of PP and lighter crank, the engine is characteristically free revving and snappy so, ask yourself if worth the premium to you. The only thing that would put me off PP really is the additional upfront cost of the car and over £1000 bill for front disc replacement but as you can probably tell, aim around £33k you can get a really good non-PP.

All facelift cars are the same in general, but special additions such as Ed125, 507 received some cosmetic changes (wheels, bonnet on 507, interior trim on 507 etc). Performance Pack received Alcantara steering wheel I believe, red calipers and carbon fibre rear spoiler as did 507. All parts are bolt on, so there's no reason why you can't fit 507 bonnet, fit carbon bits, fit black grille surround (or wrap it) to any of the cars or paint calipers. Personally I like the carbon spoiler and black surrounded grille on the 507 but not the red calipers you get on this or PP. I think there's more merit to keeping this car factory standard so, if you make any changes make sure they're reversible and do not reduce the life of any components. I didn't have an issue with Eurocharging it as it simply allowed the throttle body to open fully as opposed to being limited at 65% (I believe it was). Results were a car that felt unrestrained.

Edited by 1Addicted on Monday 25th January 15:37

[ecain63]

Having had 2 PPP cars, one pre FL and one FL, one without the LSD and one with: The diff does help where it's needed. I fitted a Quaife to my pre FL non-diff PPP and felt it was very sharp indeed. Ideal on these cars actually. My new PPP has the AMG LSD and although very good it's a bit more progressive to lock than the Quaife unit. I'd never see the benefit of one over the other on UK roads though but an LSD is a great addition to these fantastic cars.

My must have options were:

HK with DAB
PPP with LSD
Saloon
19" wheels
Black with black or ali trim
Carbon bits
Red calipers

Car 1:



Car 2:

[ghibbett]

Of course, a true drivers' C63 has both the LSD and runs on 18"s.....

1Addicted said:

Hi Irfan,There are two standards of COMAND, a basic small screen version which has a grey/black background colour and COMAND Online which has a larger screen and a yellow/black background.

All facelift cars have the same screen. There was a colour change (from yellow background to silver) which was part of the 13MY update. The only other differentiator was cars with the AMG Performance Media, which had things like a track timer (already one on the standard car in the MFD anyway) and digital gauges for power & torque etc.

[VX0075]

Hi Irfan,

great choice, good luck with your future purchase. I recently completed on a 2012 facelift estate (In white, with 19" black multispokes). White wasn't my first choice but it has grown on me. Other than that, the Harmon Kardon upgrade was a must for me, I did notice the difference between standard and the HK system...but I can't comment on how much difference due to not having lived with it...previously I had a Jag XFR with bowers & Wilkins sound, and all subjective but its probably not as good, but could be due to car acoustics too. Anyway, didn't get DAB but based on the deal I got from Mercedes I decided it was a compromise and I could always get it retrofitted if I missed it too much.

Did look for PPP and LSD initially but I came to the conclusion that I would live without it initially, and bought a car on condition. I'll wait until warranty is up and then look to get it mapped, and get a quafie LSD fitted (currently probably won't do it) but option is there if I feel I need it.

Can see the tyres not lasting long, relatively narrow if I compare it to the XFR anyway.

Good luck! you'll love it.

[Mr Roper]

Parking sensors/camera is a must if you have tints. The reverse light pretty poor.

Tyres don't last long but you already know that. I've ordered a set of Michelin Pilot Super Sports for the rears @£162.00ea incl VAT which I think is pretty good value.

As mentioned 19's are a must.

Command is ok although I find the Sat nav irritating. Doesn't allow a full postcode and unless I'm being a spazz it doesn't show ETA.

Mine has the sunroof which I believe isn't a common...It's nice to have.

I don't know a great deal about remaps. Mine came with a Stage 1 Remap by Oscarli. Supposedly taking it to 500 BHP...The delivery is smooth and on a long journey surprisingly good on fuel for what it is.

When pootling about the auto box is smooth and really adds a waftyness to the car but when pressing on I find it sometimes slow to keep up but that's a minor gripe as i'm not a race driver and I'm used to manuals.

Enjoy.

[scuba13579]

Hi Irfan

Got mine about 2 months ago, 2013 coupe, with Hk logic 7 and PPP, it's a very practical car, boot space is good, rear seats fold down, and the noise, awesome.

[irfan1712]

1Addicted said:

Hi Irfan,

I'm a C63 coupe owner, and I have experience of driving two with different options (one is my brothers); they are both Edition 125 cars.

DAB is standard on the 125, as is COMAND. There are two standards of COMAND, a basic small screen version which has a grey/black background colour and COMAND Online which has a larger screen and a yellow/black background. I've only ever seen the COMAND Online in Edition 125 and the lesser unit in non-AMG cars. That said, there's a Black Series for sale on MB's Approved Used website that appears smaller and grey, but perhaps poor picture. Hopefully someone can put this to rest, but with Ed 125 you should be safe.

My brothers car has HK and mine does not. I'm a bit of an audio freak and nearly discounted my car before viewing however, the standard kit is very good, gets compliments and shakes the mirror. It is infinitely better than any standard system I've heard in any BMW, better than their mid-range system and in all honesty not far off BMW's HK system if you've heard any of those (I am Ex-M3). The C63 standard system of course is not as good as HK, as HK offers more felixibilty in settings and punch but the difference is not a canyon wide as it is in other cars.

19" black multi-spoke wheels with a polished lip were a trademark of the Edition 125 and then were an option thereafter the Ed125. If you get any different, they have been fitted "aftermarket" or completely refurbished, likely due to the original set suffering cracks. This I warn you does happen as a result of bad roads, skinny tyres and perhaps a little less than is ideal robustness of the alloy wheel. This isn't unique to the C63 or any other marque for that matter but it is a pain. Both of us have been through a set of original wheels as they all cracked. We both had them replaced FOC by MB after kicking off, but interestingly we now both have replica Edition 125 wheels fitted which have stood the test and are in fact almost equally as heavy. We have stored our "original" wheels for the day that we sell the cars.

My car has LSD, brother's doesn't. Honestly the only time mine got cleanly away from him was on a couple of bends at Brands Hatch where he struggled a tiny bit to power out. On the road, we can both break traction similarly, but maybe mine can hookup better in the wet and standing launches; on a roll it's marginal at best. The standard car has an eLSD that is brake controlled, which is a decent piece of kit, allows you to write 11's or drift if you so wish but most importantly aids you in putting down the power much like a mechanical LSD does. You also get this eLSD feature if you have the AMG differential so you're covered twice, if you like but evening driving hard down country lanes last Summer in my brothers car I could t say I missed a mechanical LSD, it felt just like mine. The internet is full of posts, some poorly informed or without experience, about missing a mechanical LSD on this car, much like those that say you can only get through British Winter on Winter tyres in it but, these really aren't true unless you are a ridiculously hard driver on the street, and I mean well against the law. If you can find a car with a mechanical LSD then of course get it but for me it's not a deal breaker, you can get much better results on the street by fitting good tyres and you'd not know you had an open differential but, if it bothers you a Quaife for approx £1700 can be fitted but I'd suggest doing track days to appreciate it.

I'd like to tell you now that LSD was an option on both Performance Pack cars and standard cars.

Intelligent lighting i believe is standard. It's easy to tell a car without it as it's written on the side of the projector lens housing. Quite quirky, but not really a major difference in lighting that doesn't adapt to the road if I'm honest.

Reverse camera. I never use it, don't trust it, I can park the thing myself and the parking sensors are actually somewhat more helpful anyway if not a little too cautious. Note, the car should also have park assist, which scans the area around your car and guides you into parallel park with steering prompts. Again, good if you cannot park (or drive?), my brother is ok without a camera and he's used to stubby-er hot hatchbacks.

Leather. For me, all black, all tan or all red. I have black, brother has red and his bolster wear is a little apparent now where mine is not. I've seen this many times on red leather, just something to be aware of with this colour.

My brother has a Performance Pack and I don't. Off the line there's not much in it when but up the MPH's it did pull away I guess due to more HP and lighter crank. I decided to Eurocharge myself and the tables turned the other way so, he followed suit and now it's fair to say both are neck and neck; mine even made more HP (516bhp vs 511bhp) but variance in driver input seems to decide outcome. Regardless of PP and lighter crank, the engine is characteristically free revving and snappy so, ask yourself if worth the premium to you. The only thing that would put me off PP really is the additional upfront cost of the car and over £1000 bill for front disc replacement but as you can probably tell, aim around £33k you can get a really good non-PP.

All facelift cars are the same in general, but special additions such as Ed125, 507 received some cosmetic changes (wheels, bonnet on 507, interior trim on 507 etc). Performance Pack received Alcantara steering wheel I believe, red calipers and carbon fibre rear spoiler as did 507. All parts are bolt on, so there's no reason why you can't fit 507 bonnet, fit carbon bits, fit black grille surround (or wrap it) to any of the cars or paint calipers. Personally I like the carbon spoiler and black surrounded grille on the 507 but not the red calipers you get on this or PP. I think there's more merit to keeping this car factory standard so, if you make any changes make sure they're reversible and do not reduce the life of any components. I didn't have an issue with Eurocharging it as it simply allowed the throttle body to open fully as opposed to being limited at 65% (I believe it was). Results were a car that felt unrestrained.

Edited by 1Addicted on Monday 25th January 15:37

ecain63 said:

Having had 2 PPP cars, one pre FL and one FL, one without the LSD and one with: The diff does help where it's needed. I fitted a Quaife to my pre FL non-diff PPP and felt it was very sharp indeed. Ideal on these cars actually. My new PPP has the AMG LSD and although very good it's a bit more progressive to lock than the Quaife unit. I'd never see the benefit of one over the other on UK roads though but an LSD is a great addition to these fantastic cars.

My must have options were:

HK with DAB
PPP with LSD
Saloon
19" wheels
Black with black or ali trim
Carbon bits
Red calipers

Car 1:



Car 2:

Thank you for such comprehensive replies..bloody marvelous! Im not that fussed on a reverse camera at all now really its just a gimmick thats nice to have. im struglging to find out if the 'bendy lights' fitted with the bi xenons are standard equipment or not. Ecain i followed your 63 on here and the MBForums.. seeing an opal red saloon really does tickle my taste buds as much as im trying to avoid red due to my R32 also being red, its just so lovely when its clean.

i'm still set on HK, carbon bits, white coupe, red (or the designo tan if i can find a car with it again) leather. After reading yours, ecain63's and others opinions on the LSD i'm probably not going to hold my breath on finding a car with one. i'll just see how i get on without it, as said i probably wont notice..but if i do theres always the Quaife option afterwards. PPP ive also ruled out, although if one falls into budget il still go for it but i think my main concern is finding a correctly specd car thats in good condition thats WELL PRICED- some seem to be so over priced its unbelievable which hampers my search.

i guess im slowly being more lenient on my requirements of the cars as ive been looking since December and i haven't really seen much that really ticks all of my (fussy) boxes. My R32 is officially up for sale as of tomorrow when i get the original plates back on, so i think im just getting a bit impatient wanting that V8 on my drive as soon as the R32 goes!

Once again thank you all for your input, i welcome any others thoughts and opinions.

Irfan

Edited by irfan1712 on Thursday 28th January 11:52

[ZX10R NIN]

Don't get hung up on the Harmon Kardon the speakers in the car aren't even good enough to be used as a base model speaker for Infinity or JBL (which are Harmon owned) you'd be better off going to a good audio centre & getting all the speakers replaced.

Normally on these I'll put Infinity Kappa two ways for the rear speakers Kappa Mids & Tweeters for the front with a shallow mount subwoofer with a JL audio amp, it's a much richer sound than either set up, in my own cars I have Infinity Perfects but they're on the expensive side.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Infinity-Kappa-16-5cm-6-...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/INFINITY-KAPPA-60-11i-6-...

Harmon Kardon Speaker

[irfan1712]

ZX10R NIN said:

Don't get hung up on the Harmon Kardon the speakers in the car aren't even good enough to be used as a base model speaker for Infinity or JBL (which are Harmon owned) you'd be better off going to a good audio centre & getting all the speakers replaced.

Normally on these I'll put Infinity Kappa two ways for the rear speakers Kappa Mids & Tweeters for the front with a shallow mount subwoofer with a JL audio amp, it's a much richer sound than either set up, in my own cars I have Infinity Perfects but they're on the expensive side.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Infinity-Kappa-16-5cm-6-...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/INFINITY-KAPPA-60-11i-6-...

Harmon Kardon Speaker

is that so? Never knew that. to be fair i thought an upgraded factory system would be good, my mothers BOSE system in her old a4 was bloody cracking.

we have Focal kevlar's and a JL W3 in our transporter sportline as the factory speakers where also pants. that along with a generous amount of Dynamat and it sounds bloody marvelous so i have no issue doing that again to a C63 if need be... i like my music quality to be superb hence the original requirement for HK but if its that dissapointing i can broaden my search and exclude it.

[wistles]

ecain63 said:

Having had 2 PPP cars, one pre FL and one FL, one without the LSD and one with: The diff does help where it's needed. I fitted a Quaife to my pre FL non-diff PPP and felt it was very sharp indeed. Ideal on these cars actually. My new PPP has the AMG LSD and although very good it's a bit more progressive to lock than the Quaife unit. I'd never see the benefit of one over the other on UK roads though but an LSD is a great addition to these fantastic cars.

My must have options were:

HK with DAB
PPP with LSD
Saloon
19" wheels
Black with black or ali trim
Carbon bits
Red calipers

Car 1:



Car 2:

Looking at your second car my registration is one letter different! (can't totally see it). Was yours a demonstrator?

[ecain63]

wistles said:

ecain63 said:

Having had 2 PPP cars, one pre FL and one FL, one without the LSD and one with: The diff does help where it's needed. I fitted a Quaife to my pre FL non-diff PPP and felt it was very sharp indeed. Ideal on these cars actually. My new PPP has the AMG LSD and although very good it's a bit more progressive to lock than the Quaife unit. I'd never see the benefit of one over the other on UK roads though but an LSD is a great addition to these fantastic cars.

My must have options were:

HK with DAB
PPP with LSD
Saloon
19" wheels
Black with black or ali trim
Carbon bits
Red calipers

Car 1:



Car 2:

Looking at your second car my registration is one letter different! (can't totally see it). Was yours a demonstrator?

I'm told, unofficially, that my car was originally a dealer demo / dealer principle car, hence the high spec. It was then sold to a 50yr old Indian woman who owned it from 12 months old to 3 years old. I'm trying to get hold of her to see if my car is mapped or just really healthy. It pulled 500bhp on the dyno last week.

Where did you car come from?

Eddie

[wistles]

I bought it from Bromley main dealer. I am the first owner after Merc, also full spec (apart from illuminated door sills) but mine is an estate. Last three on mine are CCX.

[ecain63]

Mine is CCV. Must have been side by side in the factory.

[chiefski26]

500bhp is normal for a PPP c63.

[ecain63]

chiefski26 said:

500bhp is normal for a PPP c63.

My first one dyno'd (Surrey) at 487bhp. A good one will be 500 yeah. There were a handful of MY12 red coupes, estates and saloons running mule Black Series software too. Nobody knows the cars except MB but I know of one that turned up for a Eurocharged map and was declined due to it being a Black ECU.