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XJ13

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410 posts

198 months

Monday 16th November 2015
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While putting the finishing touches to my XJ13 recreation (the car is now in the paintshop), I added a detail under the bonnet which had me puzzled at first. The original has it so I added it anyway. I know it was there before the crash because the bonnet survived intact. I reckon I now know what it was for - although it was never used as such. I could be completely wrong of course but thought I'd see if any of you had any other ideas of what it was meant to be.

If you look at the XJ13's bonnet, you will see a NACA duct close to its leading edge. It is set off to the right-hand side and looks like this:



If you look underneath the bonnet, you will see the following "duct" (copied from the original):



When in position, it points directly at the steering rack. It is also in the vicinity of the brake/clutch fluid reservoirs. Rather than being centrally-mounted, the NACA duct is positioned to the right.

Any guesses?

For those who have asked, my car is now in the paintshop (thanks for the interest smile ). My Christmas present to myself is to see how it drives sometime before the end of December. Here's a few pics etc for you fellow XJ13-geeks:

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dryden

361 posts

198 months

Monday 16th November 2015
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Driver ventilation?

XJ13

Original Poster:

410 posts

198 months

Tuesday 17th November 2015
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dryden said:
Driver ventilation?
Too easy. (Reaching for a cigar)

a8hex

5,832 posts

252 months

Tuesday 17th November 2015
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XJ13 said:
(Reaching for a cigar)
Well it is a Jaguar, so it could be to ensure an adequate supply of fresh air for the cigar lighter.

mph

2,376 posts

311 months

Tuesday 17th November 2015
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To get air to something that was never fitted ?

What a fantastic achievement by the way, your project is stunning.


williamp

20,381 posts

302 months

Tuesday 17th November 2015
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Does ithelp with air pressure under the car? Sort of primative downforce?

V8 FOU

3,023 posts

176 months

Tuesday 17th November 2015
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Neville. Once again I doff my hat!

Please keep us updated on the paint etc.

Did you have any problems with the brakes, being one off castings? Does the oil tank and system work OK?

XJ13

Original Poster:

410 posts

198 months

Tuesday 17th November 2015
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V8 FOU said:
Neville. Once again I doff my hat!

Please keep us updated on the paint etc.

Did you have any problems with the brakes, being one off castings? Does the oil tank and system work OK?
In period, Jaguar commissioned brakes from Dunlop as there wasn't anything suitable off the shelf. They changed to Girling later in development because the Dunlops could potentially "spread" under hard braking. I wanted to stick with the 1966 original design/setup so commissioned some of my own. The difference being these are heavily "beefed-up" to ensure there is no danger of spreading. They also give me the opportunity to swap for different piston diameters at will. The proof of the pudding will come later next year as the car is developed/tested under duress.

The oil tank and system is (pretty much) an exact replica of that used in the original car. It was tested in period (throughout 1967) and no problems were reported even after extensive and heavy testing at MIRA. De-aeration seems to have been effective as the detailed engine records show no evidence of bearing damage etc when examined. However, as with the braking setup, the real test will come when the car is put through its paces.

Time will tell!

The Black Baron

54 posts

150 months

Wednesday 18th November 2015
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Long-time lurker here. I've been following your build for some time.

What an awesome project and well done you for seeing it through, quite remarkable. Your commitment to detail is as commendable as it is outstanding.

I look forward to seeing the next steps.

D.

LDM

372 posts

156 months

Wednesday 18th November 2015
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A great project I look forward to seeing more about it - I have no idea what that could have been for!

TA14

14,332 posts

287 months

Wednesday 18th November 2015
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XJ13 said:
When in position, it points directly at the steering rack. It is also in the vicinity of the brake/clutch fluid reservoirs.
Could it simply be cooling for the brake/clutch fluid reservoirs?

a8hex

5,832 posts

252 months

Wednesday 18th November 2015
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TA14 said:
XJ13 said:
When in position, it points directly at the steering rack. It is also in the vicinity of the brake/clutch fluid reservoirs.
Could it simply be cooling for the brake/clutch fluid reservoirs?
Or it could be one of those obscure Le Man's rules, that had done things like insist on having a passenger door in certain years. Maybe the year they were aiming at the rules were that there had to be somewhere in the car that was cooled and could be used to carry the obligatory baguette and bottle of wine for the passenger's lunch?

lowdrag

13,183 posts

242 months

Thursday 19th November 2015
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Are we allowed 20 questions? Was there a hose connected to the alloy duct that conveyed the ram air somewhere?

XJ13

Original Poster:

410 posts

198 months

Thursday 19th November 2015
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lowdrag said:
Are we allowed 20 questions? Was there a hose connected to the alloy duct that conveyed the ram air somewhere?
There's no definitive "yes - that is what it was" answer to the question. However, I reckon Dryden (above) has come closest when he suggested it was something to do with driver ventilation (although it may never have been used as such). It wouldn't have taken much to attach some sort of flexible hose and routed it so that it squirted cold air at the driver as Tony (Lowdrag) suggests.

One clue pointing to this is that it is positioned on the driver's side rather than centrally. It is unlikely it had anything to do with the brake fluid reservoirs as these simply don't get hot enough to warrant cooling. I can't see it having anything to do with aero-dynamics either? The louvres should be sufficient to remove air passing through the radiator. It must have had some definite purpose as Sayer would not have tolerated anything to disrupt airflow in that area otherwise - he even insisted in the use of flush rivets across the car's nose (these were replaced with raised ones during the car's rebuild in 1972). There's an account of Bob Blake (builder of the original car) adding a small recess in the nose of the car so he could add a discrete flush Jaguar badge. Sayer made him hammer it flat!

If I can find a definitive answer I will report back here. In the meantime, I am going with the "ventilation" suggestion.

dryden

361 posts

198 months

Thursday 19th November 2015
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Firstly, we are in awe of this project... well done!
A few thoughts. This car was designed primarily for Le-Mans and other big circuits, and would regularly do 200MPH (ish) with high back scuttle side widows and no roof. I wonder if all the air got sucked out the cockpit when those speeds are sustained? and the vent is literally for breathing!??
As you said, they would not put such an aerodynamic hindrance there if it was not vital!
Being mid engined, there is no forward heat from the engine, and with no roof, I do not think it would have been (just) for driver cooling.

StonetheCrows

769 posts

237 months

Friday 20th November 2015
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Really left field, could it be used to assist drivers view in wet conditions, taking airflow and lift away from windscreen wiper. Maybe over thinking this biggrin

PAUL500

3,241 posts

275 months

Saturday 21st November 2015
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Cooling for a power steering rack would be my guess