car tax and change of keeper, advice needed
Discussion
I own a car but currently am not the registered keeper (daughter is). However now that she is not the main user of the car I need to change the keeper to myself as I will be the main user and have to insure the car as such. Question is do I have to re-tax it? DVLA website only talks about change of ownership, buying and selling or giving away to someone else etc. It seems ludicrous that I should have to pay to do this
If you're going to change the registered keeper then you need to tax it in your name, while your daughter gets the rest of her tax back. Do it at the end of the month and there won't be any adverse charging.
Or is this a fishing exercise? The worst case scenario is you double pay road tax for one month, which on the highest tax band is less than £50. For someone with your garage, that shouldn't matter as it's less than half a tank of fuel.
Or is this a fishing exercise? The worst case scenario is you double pay road tax for one month, which on the highest tax band is less than £50. For someone with your garage, that shouldn't matter as it's less than half a tank of fuel.
jm doc said:
I own a car but currently am not the registered keeper (daughter is). However now that she is not the main user of the car I need to change the keeper to myself as I will be the main user and have to insure the car as such. Question is do I have to re-tax it? DVLA website only talks about change of ownership, buying and selling or giving away to someone else etc. It seems ludicrous that I should have to pay to do this
They mean change of keeper, when they say change of owner. The legislation only mentions change of keeper by referring to the appropriate act : i.e. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2014/26/schedu... makes reference to http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/22/sectio...
It's the change of keeper that triggers the cancellation and refund of tax, not the change of owner (which DVLA never need to know about).
marshalla said:
jm doc said:
I own a car but currently am not the registered keeper (daughter is). However now that she is not the main user of the car I need to change the keeper to myself as I will be the main user and have to insure the car as such. Question is do I have to re-tax it? DVLA website only talks about change of ownership, buying and selling or giving away to someone else etc. It seems ludicrous that I should have to pay to do this
They mean change of keeper, when they say change of owner. The legislation only mentions change of keeper by referring to the appropriate act : i.e. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2014/26/schedu... makes reference to http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/22/sectio...
It's the change of keeper that triggers the cancellation and refund of tax, not the change of owner (which DVLA never need to know about).
No doubt a big chunk of the bonanza they are raking in will go into the chief exec and senior management bonuses.
jm doc said:
Thanks for that helpful, and polite, reply. First time I have had to do it since the changes, and nearly just sent the V5 off and left it at that, quite irritated by having to do it and being charged a significant amount for it (lose at both ends having paid the tax for my daughter as well!) Insurance expired so not a lot of choice about timing. But no, in petrol terms it won't get me very far down the road in my weekend transport.
No doubt a big chunk of the bonanza they are raking in will go into the chief exec and senior management bonuses.
Love the last sentence. How did you earn the money to buy your current and previous fleet of high end cars? No doubt a big chunk of the bonanza they are raking in will go into the chief exec and senior management bonuses.
SORN the car if you want to, or risk it. Nothing will happen inside two weeks, other than a shouty letter telling you to insure / tax it at worst.
LoonR1 said:
jm doc said:
Thanks for that helpful, and polite, reply. First time I have had to do it since the changes, and nearly just sent the V5 off and left it at that, quite irritated by having to do it and being charged a significant amount for it (lose at both ends having paid the tax for my daughter as well!) Insurance expired so not a lot of choice about timing. But no, in petrol terms it won't get me very far down the road in my weekend transport.
No doubt a big chunk of the bonanza they are raking in will go into the chief exec and senior management bonuses.
Love the last sentence. How did you earn the money to buy your current and previous fleet of high end cars? No doubt a big chunk of the bonanza they are raking in will go into the chief exec and senior management bonuses.
SORN the car if you want to, or risk it. Nothing will happen inside two weeks, other than a shouty letter telling you to insure / tax it at worst.
Why would I SORN it or risk it? I just asked a simple question about the changes in registration of cars, and subsequently commented about what I think is a rip off.
Don't need the personal attacks thank you.
jm doc said:
So you approve of the new policy? And support the public sector senior management gravy train??
Why would I SORN it or risk it? I just asked a simple question about the changes in registration of cars, and subsequently commented about what I think is a rip off.
Don't need the personal attacks thank you.
I think the new approach works very well. Why would I SORN it or risk it? I just asked a simple question about the changes in registration of cars, and subsequently commented about what I think is a rip off.
Don't need the personal attacks thank you.
Public sector gravy train - grow up. The bonuses paid were negligible, the salaries in DVLA aren't that special either
The SORN / risk it suggestion were other options so you didn't have to spend fifty whole pounds in the very worst case scenario.
I asked how you earned your money, I didn't attack you personally.
I think if anyone dig into the stats they will probably reveal that the money repaid in rebates which more than likely would otherwise been left to lapse while they sat on used car lots, will at least equal if not exceed the amount gained in double taxing
If it bothers you that much, just don't stick the v5 in the post till the end of the month
and don't use the new keepers slip to tax it till the start of next month
If it bothers you that much, just don't stick the v5 in the post till the end of the month
and don't use the new keepers slip to tax it till the start of next month
LoonR1 said:
I think the new approach works very well.
1) It's a tax2) It's completely arbitrary and penalises randomly
3) It's just as easy for any computer system to pay from the day of relinquishing or purchasing now that no tax disc is required. The ONLY reason for the current system is to make more money
jm doc said:
LoonR1 said:
I think the new approach works very well.
1) It's a tax2) It's completely arbitrary and penalises randomly
3) It's just as easy for any computer system to pay from the day of relinquishing or purchasing now that no tax disc is required. The ONLY reason for the current system is to make more money
2) it's got defined rules and everyone knows what they will paying well in advance. Oh and it's exactly the same as it was under the old system
3) only if it's built that way. Do you want to cough up a load more money to do that so that you "save" £50 (maximum) when you sell a car every few years.
LoonR1 said:
Oh and it's exactly the same as it was under the old system
Not quite. It used to be possible to transfer the VED licence/receipt/entitlement to be on the road (whatever you want to call it) to the new keeper.On the whole, however, the rules have been discussed to death on PH and elsewhere and they still haven't changed. What's that definition of madness ?
marshalla said:
LoonR1 said:
Oh and it's exactly the same as it was under the old system
Not quite. It used to be possible to transfer the VED licence/receipt/entitlement to be on the road (whatever you want to call it) to the new keeper.On the whole, however, the rules have been discussed to death on PH and elsewhere and they still haven't changed. What's that definition of madness ?
My comment was in response to the view that new system "is completely arbitrary and penalises randomly". The new and old systems don't differ in that respect that much. If anything they make it easier for a seller, as they get a rebate that otherwise wouldn't have happened.
Cue lots of bleating about a car without tax not being as easy to sell. Given no car can be sold with tax anymore then that's a duff argument.
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