The Motorsport Cayman GT4 Has A PDK Box....
The Motorsport Cayman GT4 Has A PDK Box....
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Carl_Manchester

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15,831 posts

291 months

Thursday 19th November 2015
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So, I await the road-going version, if only to use the terms GT4, Porsche Motorsport Derived and PDK in the same sentence without getting lynched.

mdianuk

2,893 posts

200 months

Thursday 19th November 2015
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This isn't anything we didn't already know, and there won't be a road going PDK GT4, not in the .1 variant anyway.

Koln-RS

4,121 posts

241 months

Thursday 19th November 2015
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I think you need PDK to be competitive in GT racing.

I'd still prefer a manual for road use, though.

hunter 66

4,190 posts

249 months

Friday 20th November 2015
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Yes all race cars now are paddle shift ...sadly no heel and toe anymore

red997

1,304 posts

238 months

Friday 20th November 2015
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why sadly?
PDK is quicker
racing is about winning
why the hell would you want a manual box if the rules allow PDK ??
Sorry, no nostalgia here... smile

Koln-RS

4,121 posts

241 months

Friday 20th November 2015
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red997 said:
why sadly?
PDK is quicker
racing is about winning
why the hell would you want a manual box if the rules allow PDK ??
Sorry, no nostalgia here... smile
It eliminates an element of driver skill, that some enthusiasts still like to see in racing.

PorscheGT4

21,146 posts

294 months

Friday 20th November 2015
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this

even the 911 CUP racers in their manuals have auto blip as you make no mistakes, so you get cars following cars like a train, with no skill needed to pilot them :-(

88racing

1,748 posts

185 months

Friday 20th November 2015
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PorscheGT4 said:
even the 911 CUP racers in their manuals have auto blip as you make no mistakes
That's as much about protecting the gearbox.

PorscheGT4

21,146 posts

294 months

Friday 20th November 2015
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88racing said:
That's as much about protecting the gearbox.
rubbish, it's a new thing and people have been racing cars for 80 years without it lol

I spoke to a few race drivers back in 2012 about it, and they said, it just makes you nail the braking time after time, where before not possible to heal and toe for 12 corners in 40 laps 100% perfect. with the auto blip is it possible to nail the braking zone 100% of the time in a race.

and there is the issue every one is nailing the braking zone so the race is a train.

LaSource

2,642 posts

237 months

Friday 20th November 2015
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PorscheGT4 said:
rubbish, it's a new thing and people have been racing cars for 80 years without it lol

I spoke to a few race drivers back in 2012 about it, and they said, it just makes you nail the braking time after time, where before not possible to heal and toe for 12 corners in 40 laps 100% perfect. with the auto blip is it possible to nail the braking zone 100% of the time in a race.

and there is the issue every one is nailing the braking zone so the race is a train.
That makes sense...less variables, less to distract driver

Jim1556

1,838 posts

185 months

Friday 20th November 2015
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PorscheGT4 said:
88racing said:
That's as much about protecting the gearbox.
rubbish, it's a new thing and people have been racing cars for 80 years without it lol
Hardly a new thing, I remember Subaru introducing fly by wire gearboxes in their rally cars the 90s. It reduced gearbox failure by over half!

I agree though, takes away the need for driver skill, shame, but that's progress I suppose...

red997

1,304 posts

238 months

Friday 20th November 2015
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PorscheGT4 said:
this

even the 911 CUP racers in their manuals have auto blip as you make no mistakes, so you get cars following cars like a train, with no skill needed to pilot them :-(
My 997 Cup Car didn't have a blipper - just sequential and 3 pedals - and it was a pig when not full on it !

PorscheGT4

21,146 posts

294 months

Friday 20th November 2015
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red997 said:
My 997 Cup Car didn't have a blipper - just sequential and 3 pedals - and it was a pig when not full on it !
what year CUP car ? I am not sure what VIP event I went on with full CUP factory tour with driver talks but they all had Auto blip boxes and I spoke to a few drivers about it a the time.

plus there seems to be different cars so again not sure what CUP 911 specs the cars were, as I don't follow that racing.

red997

1,304 posts

238 months

Friday 20th November 2015
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2006
a blipper was an option on the car then
typical Porsche really !

fioran0

2,410 posts

201 months

Friday 20th November 2015
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The first blipper I ever saw was the Manthey one in 2008/9. Porsche didn't bring one out until roughly 2011 as a response to people finally getting the Manthey one approved for racing around the 2011 season.
You still have to clutch on the downshift with or without an auto-blipper being fitted but it certainly takes the stress out of the brake modulation (with no ABS in these cars) and helps with the ever present peril of rear axle lock up if you didn't rev enough with each shift. The gearbox and driveshafts often seemed thankful.

These cars all still used cable operated throttle so the blippers were mechanical devices. This meant they pressed the throttle pedal (or pulled the cable if you had the porsche version) for all gears including reverse. Made you look super cool when trying to find reverse!
TBH, I found that the big change with a blipper was that it made physical fatigue less and lowered stress levels somewhat. I only had one car with one (fitted by previous owner) but it was ok. When I replaced it the next car didn't have it fitted and I never bothered.

The 991 Cup shifted to e-gas type throttle allowing blips to be done from then on with software.

Anyone pick up on the PDK being 6 speed in the clubsport race car? Also 18" wheels with 5 lugs.

fioran0

2,410 posts

201 months

Friday 20th November 2015
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PorscheGT4 said:
I am not sure what VIP event I went on with full CUP factory tour with driver talks but they all had Auto blip boxes and I spoke to a few drivers about it a the time.
You went to Porsche Motorsport in Weissach as part of a VIP tour ?

Carl_Manchester

Original Poster:

15,831 posts

291 months

Friday 20th November 2015
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Car looks great on 18inch wheels, I assume its because the tyre walls are thicker.

Front ends do not come much better than this.

I wonder if you can buy the OEM decals for the road-GT4....

















keep it lit

3,388 posts

196 months

Saturday 21st November 2015
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2016 991R


Jim1556

1,838 posts

185 months

Sunday 22nd November 2015
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Carl_Manchester said:
Car looks great on 18inch wheels, I assume its because the tyre walls are thicker.

Front ends do not come much better than this.

I wonder if you can buy the OEM decals for the road-GT4....

lick

isaldiri

24,671 posts

197 months

Sunday 22nd November 2015
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keep it lit said:
2016 991R
Whose first competitive race was carried out with...... the faifthful old mezger.

Just weird to think that the 9a1 is going to be raced by the caymans before the 911s.....