Scammer scammed!
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Take a look at today's No 1, soaraway Sun...
www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005071310,00.html
"By ANDREW PARKER
A MOBILE speed camera has been nicked for speeding - after snaring 30 motorists. The device was being carried in a van which was spotted doing 65mph in a 40mph zone - 25MPH over the limit."
I'll bid "complete and utter rank hypocrisy" anyone raise me?
www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005071310,00.html
"By ANDREW PARKER
A MOBILE speed camera has been nicked for speeding - after snaring 30 motorists. The device was being carried in a van which was spotted doing 65mph in a 40mph zone - 25MPH over the limit."
I'll bid "complete and utter rank hypocrisy" anyone raise me?
Here's the bit in the paper today (P23 beside a bit aobut cameras with Paul Smith):
SPY VAN'S CLOCKED
A Mobile speed camera has been nicked for speeding - after booking 30 motorists.
The driver was clocked by traffic cop Andy McCracken doing 65mph in a 40mph zone in Oswestry, Shrops.
West Mercia police force - which operates the camera vans with the local council - has sent a file to the Crown Prosecution Service.
One officer said last night: 'The incident has raised a few eyebrows and a few laughs in the traffic department'
>> Edited by Dougie. on Monday 14th February 12:54
SPY VAN'S CLOCKED
A Mobile speed camera has been nicked for speeding - after booking 30 motorists.
The driver was clocked by traffic cop Andy McCracken doing 65mph in a 40mph zone in Oswestry, Shrops.
West Mercia police force - which operates the camera vans with the local council - has sent a file to the Crown Prosecution Service.
One officer said last night: 'The incident has raised a few eyebrows and a few laughs in the traffic department'
>> Edited by Dougie. on Monday 14th February 12:54
Dougie. said:
Here's the bit in the paper today (P23 beside a bit aobut cameras with Paul Smith):
SPY VAN'S CLOCKED
A Mobile speed camera has been nicked for speeding - after booking 30 motorists.
The driver was clocked by traffic cop Andy McCracken doing 65mph in a 40mph zone in Oswestry, Shrops.
West Mercia police force - which operates the camera vans with the local council - has sent a file to the Crown Prosecution Service.
One officer said last night: 'The incident has raised a few eyebrows and a few laughs in the traffic department'
>> Edited by Dougie. on Monday 14th February 12:54
"A few laughs"? But, according to their own propaganda, 65 in a 40 is tantamount to murder. That shouldn't raise laughs, it should result in redundancy.
More developments...
www.shropshirestar.com/show_article.php?aID=29518
Speed camera van allegation
The driver of a mobile speed camera van was allegedly clocked by police, breaking the limit on a Shropshire road, it emerged today.
Now the van operator, who had been on mobile patrol in Trefonen, near Oswestry, could face court action.
The driver was pulled over by an officer who allegedly saw the van, operated by West Mercia Safety Camera Partnership, breaking the limit on a national speed limit road.
For cars this is 60mph, but because of the camera van's weight it is limited to 50mph.
Kate Tonge, for West Mercia Police, today refused to comment on allegations the van had been travelling at 65mph.
She said: "There was an incident that happened on December 21 at Trefonen, near Oswestry . . . A full investigation into the allegation has been conducted and a file has been sent to the Crown Prosecution Service. No-one has been suspended from duty in connection with this allegation."
Trevor McAvoy, of West Mercia Safety Camera Partnership, said:"I don't believe the van operator had carried out any enforcement that morning."
If convicted the driver could face a fine, points on his licence or even a motoring ban.
www.shropshirestar.com/show_article.php?aID=29518
Speed camera van allegation
The driver of a mobile speed camera van was allegedly clocked by police, breaking the limit on a Shropshire road, it emerged today.
Now the van operator, who had been on mobile patrol in Trefonen, near Oswestry, could face court action.
The driver was pulled over by an officer who allegedly saw the van, operated by West Mercia Safety Camera Partnership, breaking the limit on a national speed limit road.
For cars this is 60mph, but because of the camera van's weight it is limited to 50mph.
Kate Tonge, for West Mercia Police, today refused to comment on allegations the van had been travelling at 65mph.
She said: "There was an incident that happened on December 21 at Trefonen, near Oswestry . . . A full investigation into the allegation has been conducted and a file has been sent to the Crown Prosecution Service. No-one has been suspended from duty in connection with this allegation."
Trevor McAvoy, of West Mercia Safety Camera Partnership, said:"I don't believe the van operator had carried out any enforcement that morning."
If convicted the driver could face a fine, points on his licence or even a motoring ban.
Oswestry is just 15 minutes from me and I find this very pleasing. They are civilan scamera van operators here by the way, and I also find it very pleasing that the proper police office didn't just let him off with a few words of wisdom.
I have no doubt that many of the West Mercia Constabulary will be having a good old laugh at this because the scamera van operators are doing the police no favours around here.
I can see no relevance in Trevor McAvoy's comment that the operator had been doing no enforcement that morning - he would certainly have been doing so later on unless he was just out for a ride at the tax payers expense.
Edited to add the title of the thread is slightly wrong - he wasn't scammed but caught fair and square by a policeman doing his job.
"Reg"
>> Edited by regmolehusband on Monday 14th February 13:58
I have no doubt that many of the West Mercia Constabulary will be having a good old laugh at this because the scamera van operators are doing the police no favours around here.
I can see no relevance in Trevor McAvoy's comment that the operator had been doing no enforcement that morning - he would certainly have been doing so later on unless he was just out for a ride at the tax payers expense.
Edited to add the title of the thread is slightly wrong - he wasn't scammed but caught fair and square by a policeman doing his job.
"Reg"
>> Edited by regmolehusband on Monday 14th February 13:58
regmolehusband said:
Oswestry is just 15 minutes from me and I find this very pleasing. They are civilan scamera van operators here by the way, and I also find it very pleasing that the proper police office didn't just let him off with a few words of wisdom.
I have no doubt that many of the West Mercia Constabulary will be having a good old laugh at this because the scamera van operators are doing the police no favours around here.
I can see no relevance in Trevor McAvoy's comment that the operator had been doing no enforcement that morning - he would certainly have been doing so later on unless he was just out for a ride at the tax payers expense.
Edited to add the title of the thread is slightly wrong - he wasn't scammed but caught fair and square by a policeman doing his job.
"Reg"
>> Edited by regmolehusband on Monday 14th February 13:58
Exactly!
Aren't Scamera vans suppossed to carry a police officer so that the officer can use his judgemet to assess if a vechile is speeding which is then confirmed by the camera?
Now if we assume this to be true then the Officer was making his/her way to an enforcement site, and was therefore carrying out there duties at the time. Don;t the Police have the right to speed if it is in the course of their duties? And of course speeding is so dangerous it is very important that the scamera van gets to or between sites ASAP!
Now if we assume this to be true then the Officer was making his/her way to an enforcement site, and was therefore carrying out there duties at the time. Don;t the Police have the right to speed if it is in the course of their duties? And of course speeding is so dangerous it is very important that the scamera van gets to or between sites ASAP!
regmolehusband said:
Oswestry is just 15 minutes from me and I find this very pleasing. They are civilan scamera van operators here by the way, and I also find it very pleasing that the proper police office didn't just let him off with a few words of wisdom.
I have no doubt that many of the West Mercia Constabulary will be having a good old laugh at this because the scamera van operators are doing the police no favours around here.
I can see no relevance in Trevor McAvoy's comment that the operator had been doing no enforcement that morning - he would certainly have been doing so later on unless he was just out for a ride at the tax payers expense.
Edited to add the title of the thread is slightly wrong - he wasn't scammed but caught fair and square by a policeman doing his job.
"Reg"
>> Edited by regmolehusband on Monday 14th February 13:58
Hmm, Another SCP operating illegally then! Until there is a court case to prove the opposite civilian operators are not able to provide the primary evidence, therefore this is another county where you can contest any NIP issued by the vans.
If you receive a NIP ask the following 'Please provide the service number of the policeman who formed the initial impression of excess speed prior to the speed measurement device being used to provide corrobatory evidence'.
I have yet to hear of one case that has made it to court where this has been contested. If anybody knows different please let me know.
kevinday said:
If you receive a NIP ask the following 'Please provide the service number of the policeman who formed the initial impression of excess speed prior to the speed measurement device being used to provide corrobatory evidence'.
I have yet to hear of one case that has made it to court where this has been contested. If anybody knows different please let me know.
I don't quite follow this. Why is there a need for this primary evidence? A Gatso doesn't have a BiB perched inside who forms an opinion?
kenp said:
I don't quite follow this. Why is there a need for this primary evidence? A Gatso doesn't have a BiB perched inside who forms an opinion?
A GATSO uses radar for the primary evidence, and corroborates it with photographic evidence which can be manually checked.
A civvie in a van simply zaps away with his LTi20/20 and there is nothing to corroborate the evidence from the gun (which could quite likely malfunction).
>> Edited by FastShow on Monday 14th February 16:43
This story is on the front page of this evening's Shropshire Star 
Oh, and just to add fuel to the fire they published the following letter in prime position. I think it might have been written by a PHer
Dear Sirs
As you reported in the Shropshire Star on 7th February the RAC claims that Britain is in the grip of a speeding epidemic. 15 million drivers exceed speed limits on a daily basis.
If we were to speculate that each of these drivers does so just ten times a day then that is around 150 million daily events where drivers exceed the speed limit.
Firstly, but not primarily, this is good news for the so called Safety Camera Partnerships because they can continue to fill their coffers; and it is good news for the treasury who keep the inevitable profit.
But mostly it is good news for the general public because it highlights that, despite 15 million drivers exceeding speed limits daily, they are largely driving safely – otherwise we would all be witnessing serious accidents left right and centre!
I have struggled to think of a diplomatic way to put these numbers into perspective but I can’t, and the black and white of it is that just two or three people are killed each day nationwide in what the government calls “speed related” accidents.
This is despite millions of vehicle movements and probably 150 million incidents of speed limits being exceeded every day - and it is considerably less than the number of people killed every day as a result of accidents in the home!.
By the way, 70 per cent or more of serious accidents are not speed related but our government is doing little or nothing to address their causes. The big killers on our roads are lack of attention and observation.
As drivers we constantly observe the road ahead and adjust our speed to the conditions, slowing down when there are hazards and speeding up when there are not. When conditions are suitable the majority of us choose a speed we know to be the right speed.
And as the figures prove, this is the correct thing to do.
Yours sincerely
Possibly a PHer
(with thanks to Paul Smith for one or two phrases)
Oh, and just to add fuel to the fire they published the following letter in prime position. I think it might have been written by a PHer
Dear Sirs
As you reported in the Shropshire Star on 7th February the RAC claims that Britain is in the grip of a speeding epidemic. 15 million drivers exceed speed limits on a daily basis.
If we were to speculate that each of these drivers does so just ten times a day then that is around 150 million daily events where drivers exceed the speed limit.
Firstly, but not primarily, this is good news for the so called Safety Camera Partnerships because they can continue to fill their coffers; and it is good news for the treasury who keep the inevitable profit.
But mostly it is good news for the general public because it highlights that, despite 15 million drivers exceeding speed limits daily, they are largely driving safely – otherwise we would all be witnessing serious accidents left right and centre!
I have struggled to think of a diplomatic way to put these numbers into perspective but I can’t, and the black and white of it is that just two or three people are killed each day nationwide in what the government calls “speed related” accidents.
This is despite millions of vehicle movements and probably 150 million incidents of speed limits being exceeded every day - and it is considerably less than the number of people killed every day as a result of accidents in the home!.
By the way, 70 per cent or more of serious accidents are not speed related but our government is doing little or nothing to address their causes. The big killers on our roads are lack of attention and observation.
As drivers we constantly observe the road ahead and adjust our speed to the conditions, slowing down when there are hazards and speeding up when there are not. When conditions are suitable the majority of us choose a speed we know to be the right speed.
And as the figures prove, this is the correct thing to do.
Yours sincerely
Possibly a PHer
(with thanks to Paul Smith for one or two phrases)
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