Porsche 718 2016 Boxster & Cayman
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Press release just out. (Get your 981 orders in quickly)
"Porsche Boxster and Cayman: New model series 718
The 718 Boxster and 718 Cayman – these will be the new names of the two-door mid-engine sports cars from Porsche effective with the 2016 model changeover.
The 718 Boxster and 718 Cayman are showing more similarities – both visual and technical. In the future, both will have equally powerful four-cylinder flat engines with turbocharging. The Roadster will be positioned at a higher price level than the Coupé – as is done for the 911 models. Porsche will introduce the 718 Boxster and 718 Cayman over the course of 2016.
The 718 model series is a continuation of the proven four-cylinder concept and the history of distinguished Porsche sports cars. The latest example is the
919 Hybrid LMP1 race car, which also has a highly-efficient, turbocharged four-cylinder engine with just 2 litres of displacement. So, not only did Porsche finish first and second in the 24 hours of Le Mans, but most recently it also won the manufacturer’s and driver’s championship titles in the WEC World Endurance Championship. With these victories, the 919 Hybrid has opened up the prospects for the performance potential of future sports car engines from Porsche.
History of the 718
Four-cylinder flat engines have a long tradition at Porsche – and they have enjoyed incredible success. In the late 1950s, the 718 – a successor to the legendary Porsche 550 Spyder – represented the highest configuration level of the four-cylinder flat engine. Whether it was competing at the 12-hour race in Sebring in 1960 or at the European Hill Climb Championship that ran between 1958 and 1961, the Porsche 718 prevailed against numerous competitors with its powerful and efficient four-cylinder flat engine. The 718 took first place three times between 1959 and 1960 at the legendary Italian Targa Florio race in Sicily. At the 24 Hours of Le Mans race 1958, the 718 RSK with its 142-hp four-cylinder engine scored a class victory."
https://porschenewsroom.s3.amazonaws.com/porsche_n...
"Porsche Boxster and Cayman: New model series 718
The 718 Boxster and 718 Cayman – these will be the new names of the two-door mid-engine sports cars from Porsche effective with the 2016 model changeover.
The 718 Boxster and 718 Cayman are showing more similarities – both visual and technical. In the future, both will have equally powerful four-cylinder flat engines with turbocharging. The Roadster will be positioned at a higher price level than the Coupé – as is done for the 911 models. Porsche will introduce the 718 Boxster and 718 Cayman over the course of 2016.
The 718 model series is a continuation of the proven four-cylinder concept and the history of distinguished Porsche sports cars. The latest example is the
919 Hybrid LMP1 race car, which also has a highly-efficient, turbocharged four-cylinder engine with just 2 litres of displacement. So, not only did Porsche finish first and second in the 24 hours of Le Mans, but most recently it also won the manufacturer’s and driver’s championship titles in the WEC World Endurance Championship. With these victories, the 919 Hybrid has opened up the prospects for the performance potential of future sports car engines from Porsche.
History of the 718
Four-cylinder flat engines have a long tradition at Porsche – and they have enjoyed incredible success. In the late 1950s, the 718 – a successor to the legendary Porsche 550 Spyder – represented the highest configuration level of the four-cylinder flat engine. Whether it was competing at the 12-hour race in Sebring in 1960 or at the European Hill Climb Championship that ran between 1958 and 1961, the Porsche 718 prevailed against numerous competitors with its powerful and efficient four-cylinder flat engine. The 718 took first place three times between 1959 and 1960 at the legendary Italian Targa Florio race in Sicily. At the 24 Hours of Le Mans race 1958, the 718 RSK with its 142-hp four-cylinder engine scored a class victory."
https://porschenewsroom.s3.amazonaws.com/porsche_n...
Edited by JLZ78 on Thursday 10th December 13:01
Can't just be me that thinks "4 pot 2.0 turbo", just like every VW, dull!!!!!!!!!!!!
Burning question I guess is whether they'll retain an N/A in the line up, or whether they deem customers of the base model cars even care?!?! After all, they've made a very definite switch with the 911, during the facelift model.
Burning question I guess is whether they'll retain an N/A in the line up, or whether they deem customers of the base model cars even care?!?! After all, they've made a very definite switch with the 911, during the facelift model.
I suppose the big question for me is whether to stick with the current CGTS on order, or change it for the new model. I know I will prefer the flat 6 but most owners wont be bothered if the turbo 4 is faster and more economical. It shouldn't really bother me but I haven't got an endless pit of money and I will want to sell in 3 years time.
This is an air-cooled to water cooled moment in history. In a couple of years time, people won't care that the flat 6 is gone. The new turbo 4 will be really quick, torquey and efficient. It might even sound ok (maybe). The BMW M3 NA purists even have to acknowledge that the new F80 is better than the old car in almost every way, despite not sounding as good.
Flat 6 for me though. Just compare the sound of the new 991.2 vs the outgoing 991.1 GTS on the configurator. I know which one I would choose, no matter what the torque or efficiency gave me...
Flat 6 for me though. Just compare the sound of the new 991.2 vs the outgoing 991.1 GTS on the configurator. I know which one I would choose, no matter what the torque or efficiency gave me...
Klippie said:
I think your very wrong with this mate.
- you're*
Perhaps, but the loss of a V10 didn't hurt the M5 sales, nor V8 the M3 (although I miss my E90 M3). The loss of an air cooled F6 didn't hurt the 996 much either. Ferrari aren't struggling to sell the 488, nor VW the Golf R. I don't think the public will care (we purists might) as long as the 718 puts out decent torque and power and is efficient - which it will be.
Edited by JLZ78 on Thursday 10th December 19:58
anonymous said:
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Fair enough, but your view isn't the unanimous opinion across the motoring world. The 'better' tag can mean different things to different people. Some go by steering feel, some go with power and some go with just lap times. It's a pretty broad brush, but as far as the manufacturers go, the newer generations cars are 'better', but not necessarily more engaging to enthusiasts.
I'm still in the F6 camp for the Pork, and until convinced otherwise, always will be.
I don't know about anyone else but personally I have zero interest in a Cayman with anything less than a flat six inside.
Who cares if it has a huge wedge of torque and power the car is not a Porsche without that classic engine.
And the bloody number is stupid...what the hell is Porsche thinking about.
Who cares if it has a huge wedge of torque and power the car is not a Porsche without that classic engine.
And the bloody number is stupid...what the hell is Porsche thinking about.
Possibly because after 15 plus years of being the base model Porsche, they are now starting to to charge a premium over the Croc.
You don't often see that happening in marketing.
This whole press release today does smack of a huge propaganda push from Porsche to soften us up. I would say this is a bold move given VW's current plight and the Porsche brand history, but this decision was likely taken way before the emissions scandal.
You don't often see that happening in marketing.
This whole press release today does smack of a huge propaganda push from Porsche to soften us up. I would say this is a bold move given VW's current plight and the Porsche brand history, but this decision was likely taken way before the emissions scandal.
There is nothing classic about a 6 cylinder mid-engine Porsche. Look back at '50's era 356s and 912s: 4 cylinders, air cooled, rear engine.
6 cylinder water cooled came years after and, after only 20 years, can hardly be called classic.
To be truly classic, you'd get polluting and less than 100HP. Want to give up your disk brakes? Traction control? Anti-lock? A/C? Heated seats? Radial tires? Rustproofing? Bluetooth? 12 volt electrical systems? Go back far enough and you give up defrost and even heat. Want to set points, gaps, adjust valves every thousand miles? Think that would sell? Go drive one!
My favorite Porsche to drive had a mid-engine 4 cylinder air cooled 85HP, wasn't really a Porsche but harkened back to the 4 cylinder days when Porsche just had VW engines tweaked. Nothing classic about it. It was also a piece of rusted out metal after only 2 years.
6 cylinder water cooled came years after and, after only 20 years, can hardly be called classic.
To be truly classic, you'd get polluting and less than 100HP. Want to give up your disk brakes? Traction control? Anti-lock? A/C? Heated seats? Radial tires? Rustproofing? Bluetooth? 12 volt electrical systems? Go back far enough and you give up defrost and even heat. Want to set points, gaps, adjust valves every thousand miles? Think that would sell? Go drive one!
My favorite Porsche to drive had a mid-engine 4 cylinder air cooled 85HP, wasn't really a Porsche but harkened back to the 4 cylinder days when Porsche just had VW engines tweaked. Nothing classic about it. It was also a piece of rusted out metal after only 2 years.
Klippie said:
I don't know about anyone else but personally I have zero interest in a Cayman with anything less than a flat six inside.
Who cares if it has a huge wedge of torque and power the car is not a Porsche without that classic engine.
And the bloody number is stupid...what the hell is Porsche thinking about.
That's what many said when they started putting kettles in Porsches. I am with you here, but it won't be the end of the world and they will probably sell more. Who cares if it has a huge wedge of torque and power the car is not a Porsche without that classic engine.
And the bloody number is stupid...what the hell is Porsche thinking about.
Air cooled Cayman, that would super cool
Is it just me that imagines the market for Boxsters being totally different to the one for Caymans?
I understand the comments about the general public not caring much about what's under the hood so long as it does the job well but isn't that going to be a lot more true for an "average" Boxster owner than their Cayman equivalent?
I understand the comments about the general public not caring much about what's under the hood so long as it does the job well but isn't that going to be a lot more true for an "average" Boxster owner than their Cayman equivalent?
JLZ78 said:
This is an air-cooled to water cooled moment in history. In a couple of years time, people won't care that the flat 6 is gone.
Worth noting that while Porsche are selling plenty of water cooled 911s long term values have gone stupid for everything up to the 993 model whereas the 996 has had little more than a mild knockon effect. Given the rave reviews for the current model Cayman i suspect the new version will do nothing but support values on the one it replaces.Mark my words.....15:51 on the 11th Dec 2015
Porsche will make an 'RSK' version of the Boxster 718 (in the same vein as the RS versions of the GT cars) and the world will fall at its feet.
The end
Oh, and MrDemon will state that the 987 Spyder is an all round better option for a driving enthusiast
Porsche will make an 'RSK' version of the Boxster 718 (in the same vein as the RS versions of the GT cars) and the world will fall at its feet.
The end
Oh, and MrDemon will state that the 987 Spyder is an all round better option for a driving enthusiast
v8ksn said:
Mark my words.....15:51 on the 11th Dec 2015
Porsche will make an 'RSK' version of the Boxster 718 (in the same vein as the RS versions of the GT cars) and the world will fall at its feet.
The end
Oh, and MrDemon will state that the 987 Spyder is an all round better option for a driving enthusiast
That may well prove to be an insightful prophecy. Porsche are masters at resurrecting historical names. It's all marketing/branding but things like the Clubsport, Spyder, GTS, RS and R names can be pulled out and we all go weak at the knees. Porsche will make an 'RSK' version of the Boxster 718 (in the same vein as the RS versions of the GT cars) and the world will fall at its feet.
The end
Oh, and MrDemon will state that the 987 Spyder is an all round better option for a driving enthusiast
anonymous said:
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After 17k miles in my departed 2012 TTS, I agree. Peaky, no real correlation between gas pedal and power. Joyless. OK, the acceleration from low revs was good, and the Blap... Blap... Blap... at full acceleration, but otherwise, dull.
My 2003 E46 330ci, which I had for nine years, was much preferable if a little slower 0-60.
It had linear acceleration, a great sound, plus RWD, just as my Cayman does now.
Phew! Managed to get back in a 6cyl, NA, RWD car before they all die out!
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