How much damage do you expect pay trackday - tick more 1 box
Poll: How much damage do you expect pay trackday - tick more 1 box
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Theres a thread in this Track Days forum
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
and in SPL
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
about someone taking their p&j on track and it being written off by someone else making a huge mistake
vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw1d67jiUIo&fe...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
and in SPL
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
about someone taking their p&j on track and it being written off by someone else making a huge mistake
vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw1d67jiUIo&fe...
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Edited by saaby93 on Thursday 24th December 15:00
If someone made a mistake and crashed into me (spinning in a braking zone for example) I'd expect them to help out with repairs.
I wouldn't take an expensive car uninsured, but at the same time it is just a track day, not a race, so there's no reason to be pushing really hard, especially on a rainy day like the example in the OP.
I wouldn't take an expensive car uninsured, but at the same time it is just a track day, not a race, so there's no reason to be pushing really hard, especially on a rainy day like the example in the OP.
Awful driving by the blue car. Up the inside of two cars in the braking zone in the wet. To cap it all, rather than accept they had made a mistake they actually tried to make the corner. If they had gone straight they wouldn't have hit the BMW. Would be a really bad move in a race, totally unacceptable on a trackday.
As for responsibility, a decent person would offer to help with the costs given it was 100% their error, but if I were driving the BMW I wouldn't expect anything. That is why I always have trackay cover - yes the first 1k is my cost and that would cover most bumps, but at least I'd have something back from a right off.
ps surprised the camera car pulled over to get out and go help. Usually that is not advised and it should be left to the marshalls.
As for responsibility, a decent person would offer to help with the costs given it was 100% their error, but if I were driving the BMW I wouldn't expect anything. That is why I always have trackay cover - yes the first 1k is my cost and that would cover most bumps, but at least I'd have something back from a right off.
ps surprised the camera car pulled over to get out and go help. Usually that is not advised and it should be left to the marshalls.
sidekickdmr said:
No option for:
"There shouldnt be any damage but accidents can happen (on my and others behalf) and it is always a risk"
As surely thats the best and only option?
Surely at some point though the responsibility is passed back onto the organisers to monitor the driving standards - if someone's driving like a twunt they should be flagged off."There shouldnt be any damage but accidents can happen (on my and others behalf) and it is always a risk"
As surely thats the best and only option?
Krikkit said:
Surely at some point though the responsibility is passed back onto the organisers....
No! Or at least, only if someone was driving like a lunatic and clearly endangering other participants/spectators. But assume the organisers wave a black flag and the idiot refuses to stop - definitely can't blame the organisers for any outcome after that.
I strongly recommend kart racing (proper kart racing, not indoor stag do type stuff) to a lot of you guys doing track days. It's far more fun, much less expensive and also less risky. You don't even need to own your own kit these days as there are plenty of people hiring out very good and competitive karts.
But on topic, it's unfortunate that you do get idiots on track days. There really shouldn't be any contact unless caused by a mechanical failure but some people just have no respect for others.
But on topic, it's unfortunate that you do get idiots on track days. There really shouldn't be any contact unless caused by a mechanical failure but some people just have no respect for others.
Krikkit said:
sidekickdmr said:
No option for:
"There shouldnt be any damage but accidents can happen (on my and others behalf) and it is always a risk"
As surely thats the best and only option?
Surely at some point though the responsibility is passed back onto the organisers to monitor the driving standards - if someone's driving like a twunt they should be flagged off."There shouldnt be any damage but accidents can happen (on my and others behalf) and it is always a risk"
As surely thats the best and only option?
Like I said, I wouldn’t "expect" any damage and I’ve always been very careful on the track, however to say that there is no risk of any, is just naive.
Ozzie Osmond said:
One simple reason I generally don't do track days - too many tw@ts in a stripped out old BMW who don't care who they crash into. After all, it only cost them £500 on ebay....
I've done a few track days and they vary massively.I used to do a few with Lotus on Track which was really well run and attended by similar people with similar cars and never saw any serious issues.
Compare that with things like some events at Castle Combe where you can just pay £30 for a 30 min session which encourages people who wouldn't pay several hundred to do a proper trackday and have no clue what they are doing. You also end up getting a big mix of cars with massive speed and power differences.
A friend had pre booked 2 sessions with his mint S1 Exige but just ripped up his track pass when he saw the standard of driving. As you said people with £500 sheds that they just don't care about.
sidekickdmr said:
No option for:
"There shouldnt be any damage but accidents can happen (on my and others behalf) and it is always a risk"
As surely thats the best and only option?
It's implied in the other options. If there is a risk and a crash do you always pay for it?"There shouldnt be any damage but accidents can happen (on my and others behalf) and it is always a risk"
As surely thats the best and only option?
If youre going there on the basis youre not going to crash, if there is a crash do you have to assess who was at fault and which side pays?
Do you agree its a track day not a race? Driver vs track not driver vs other drivers?
I couldn't find a box that matched what I think, which is pretty much what's written above by others: I accept that track days are a bit risky and I always drive with insurance (a few days of which has usually come with my insurance policy). That said, I choose my trackday organiser wisely, because good ones will notice bad driving and deal with those drivers appropriately. I also take great care when on track and watch someone's driving as I come up to overtake them - if their driving is dodgy then I'll adjust my driving accordingly, or even back off and not overtake. If I'm being overtaken then the same goes in reverse - if a nutter's coming up behind me, then I'll adjust my speed so that they meet me on a big straight, where I'll back off and give them plenty of room to get on their way.
Maybe I've been lucky, but I've never been on a trackday where anyone's had anything more serious than a minor scrape with a barrier, and I've never had any damage myself. I do however accept that track driving is risky and that my car might get damaged.
Incidentally, this is one reason why I've always preferred racing and testing. Racing cars are designed to be repaired and having past accident damage does very little to affect their value, unlike a road car, which can be impossible to sell as accident repaired (Cat D etc).
Maybe I've been lucky, but I've never been on a trackday where anyone's had anything more serious than a minor scrape with a barrier, and I've never had any damage myself. I do however accept that track driving is risky and that my car might get damaged.
Incidentally, this is one reason why I've always preferred racing and testing. Racing cars are designed to be repaired and having past accident damage does very little to affect their value, unlike a road car, which can be impossible to sell as accident repaired (Cat D etc).
SonicShadow said:
I expect none - it's a track day, not a race. If everyone follows the instructions given at the briefing, and by the marshals on track, everyone will be fine.
You're driving closer to the limit then you would otherwise on the road. Accidents can happen. Unexpected events can happen. Crashes between cars may happen. I've been following your thread and personally think everyone should have insurance.Ozzie Osmond said:
One simple reason I generally don't do track days - too many tw@ts in a stripped out old BMW who don't care who they crash into. After all, it only cost them £500 on ebay....
Umm, if you're referring to that thread, it was the stripped out old BMW that was punted by a tw@t in a spankin' M135...sidekickdmr said:
No option for:
"There shouldnt be any damage but accidents can happen (on my and others behalf) and it is always a risk"
As surely thats the best and only option?
ditto, If you can't afford to loose it don't track it. I've done 20+ track days now in over 10 years and nearly every one someone has crashed with varying degrees of damage from write off to scuffs. I've only seen one car on car in that time and that was japfest at Donnington when someone came up the inside of someone who was turning into a bend. "There shouldnt be any damage but accidents can happen (on my and others behalf) and it is always a risk"
As surely thats the best and only option?
I've had cars spin out in front of me a few times, but always managed to stop.
Personally if I was on the receiving end of someone being a dick then I'd be aggrieved, but a genuine mistake then that's life
Track days are all about having fun, and driving within your limits.
If you're on the road and see a clown in your mirrors coming up behind you, weaving in and out of traffic, the sensible thing to do is give them a wide berth ..... The UK roads are full of "vigilantes" however, who tend to think they have a role in enforcing adherence to the law by holding these individuals up - don't get involved in their mess!
If you drive a track day in the same way, you'll have few problems.
In terms of liability and recovery of costs, have a look at the disclaimer that you sign in the morning at signing on. Then read the small print of your road insurance, and the exclusions.
You accept the risk when you do a track day, and the responsibility is all yours to make sure you are adequately protected financially, in case of damage or injury. There is no precedence that I am aware of where a case has been brought against someone legitimately taking part in a track day, however if someone were contravening the rules clearly briefed in the morning then that could happen .... Mistakes and mechanical failures are one thing ..... driving like a bell-end are another!
Shoe on the other foot, if I were minding my own business enjoying my track day, and had an incident (talent or mechanical shortcoming related), the ramifications could mean that a collision could occur between by handful of thousand pound car, and someone else's costing more than my house. I would be uncomfortable taking part on a track day which could mean that I end up with a broken car to fix (accepted possibility), and a group of solicitors sending bailiffs to my door trying to recover funds well beyond my means, and possible bankruptcy.
Insurance is available, and relatively reasonable, with necessarily high excess costs. I've taken such insurances, and would advise other to do similar.
If you're on the road and see a clown in your mirrors coming up behind you, weaving in and out of traffic, the sensible thing to do is give them a wide berth ..... The UK roads are full of "vigilantes" however, who tend to think they have a role in enforcing adherence to the law by holding these individuals up - don't get involved in their mess!
If you drive a track day in the same way, you'll have few problems.
In terms of liability and recovery of costs, have a look at the disclaimer that you sign in the morning at signing on. Then read the small print of your road insurance, and the exclusions.
You accept the risk when you do a track day, and the responsibility is all yours to make sure you are adequately protected financially, in case of damage or injury. There is no precedence that I am aware of where a case has been brought against someone legitimately taking part in a track day, however if someone were contravening the rules clearly briefed in the morning then that could happen .... Mistakes and mechanical failures are one thing ..... driving like a bell-end are another!
Shoe on the other foot, if I were minding my own business enjoying my track day, and had an incident (talent or mechanical shortcoming related), the ramifications could mean that a collision could occur between by handful of thousand pound car, and someone else's costing more than my house. I would be uncomfortable taking part on a track day which could mean that I end up with a broken car to fix (accepted possibility), and a group of solicitors sending bailiffs to my door trying to recover funds well beyond my means, and possible bankruptcy.
Insurance is available, and relatively reasonable, with necessarily high excess costs. I've taken such insurances, and would advise other to do similar.
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