Wreck of the Varvassi - standing on the boilers.

[Huntsman]

Fascinating clip here, standing on the boilers of the Varvassi at the Needles, I didn't know you could do this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjevg8KkDXM

[paintman]

And a clip of the RNLI pulling a yacht off it. Note the idiot having a nose & getting in the way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJArvJIXjDY

[ecsrobin]

paintman said:

And a clip of the RNLI pulling a yacht off it. Note the idiot having a nose & getting in the way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJArvJIXjDY

I wouldn't say the other yacht is having a nose but as there is a race going on I'd say he is competing.

[Boatbuoy]

ecsrobin said:

paintman said:

And a clip of the RNLI pulling a yacht off it. Note the idiot having a nose & getting in the way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJArvJIXjDY

I wouldn't say the other yacht is having a nose but as there is a race going on I'd say he is competing.

This!

Having competed in 3 RTIR's myself I can say that it gets pretty busy rounding The Needles. But for this very reason we always stay well clear of the wreck, it's not worth the risk.

[EarlOfHazard]

Huntsman said:

Fascinating clip here, standing on the boilers of the Varvassi at the Needles, I didn't know you could do this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjevg8KkDXM

That's cool!

[paintman]

ecsrobin said:

I wouldn't say the other yacht is having a nose but as there is a race going on I'd say he is competing.

I stand corrected.
I take it he won the trophy for "getting in the way of the lifeboat during a rescue"?

[ecsrobin]

paintman said:

ecsrobin said:

I wouldn't say the other yacht is having a nose but as there is a race going on I'd say he is competing.

I stand corrected.
I take it he won the trophy for "getting in the way of the lifeboat during a rescue"?

Well power gives way to sail, and remember that yacht is also having to navigate around the obstructions that got the other boat into the problem in the first place.

I'd say the only person deserving of a trophy is the yacht that hit a known wreck....

[paintman]

ecsrobin said:

Well power gives way to sail, and remember that yacht is also having to navigate around the obstructions that got the other boat into the problem in the first place.

I'd say the only person deserving of a trophy is the yacht that hit a known wreck....

If you know your Colregs you will know that that isn't true & has got a lot of sailors into trouble.
General Rules for Priority:
1. Not Under Command
2. Restricted Ability to Manoeuvre
3. Constrained by Draught
4. Fishing
5. Sail
6. Motor (including motor sailing)
Tugs are treated as motor vessels, unless they are also RAM or CBD
http://www.falmouthport.co.uk/commercial/html/docu...

The lifeboat has a vessel under tow so is limited in its ability to manoeuvre and due to being under tow and in shallow water the yacht will have constrained ability to manouevre and constrained by draught - it's just been aground!
The yacht should have avoided a potential collision. There is no reason for the yacht to have not gone behind the casualty & area of danger.

[Silent1]

Huntsman said:

Fascinating clip here, standing on the boilers of the Varvassi at the Needles, I didn't know you could do this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjevg8KkDXM

Looks like one of those ribs is one of those all terrain jobs with the powered wheels so you can drive it onto the beach. I didn't think they were that popular but looking around there's more than I expected!

Eta. A sea legs I think: http://www.sealegs.com

Edited by Silent1 on Wednesday 23 December 16:52

[Mojocvh]

So what would have happened if say there was a group standing on the end and it imploded?

Edited by Mojocvh on Wednesday 23 December 17:13

[ecsrobin]

paintman said:

ecsrobin said:

Well power gives way to sail, and remember that yacht is also having to navigate around the obstructions that got the other boat into the problem in the first place.

I'd say the only person deserving of a trophy is the yacht that hit a known wreck....

If you know your Colregs you will know that that isn't true & has got a lot of sailors into trouble.
General Rules for Priority:
1. Not Under Command
2. Restricted Ability to Manoeuvre
3. Constrained by Draught
4. Fishing
5. Sail
6. Motor (including motor sailing)
Tugs are treated as motor vessels, unless they are also RAM or CBD
http://www.falmouthport.co.uk/commercial/html/docu...

The lifeboat has a vessel under tow so is limited in its ability to manoeuvre and due to being under tow and in shallow water the yacht will have constrained ability to manouevre and constrained by draught - it's just been aground!
The yacht should have avoided a potential collision. There is no reason for the yacht to have not gone behind the casualty & area of danger.

However the vessel is not under tow at the time the other yacht approaches although potentially restricted in its ability to manouvere, but then that yacht is technically constrained by draught as it is going for a tight gap.

End of the day no one was hurt, the boat was free'd and everyone had a jolly good afternoon.

[anonymous-user]

ecsrobin said:

paintman said:

ecsrobin said:

Well power gives way to sail, and remember that yacht is also having to navigate around the obstructions that got the other boat into the problem in the first place.

I'd say the only person deserving of a trophy is the yacht that hit a known wreck....

If you know your Colregs you will know that that isn't true & has got a lot of sailors into trouble.
General Rules for Priority:
1. Not Under Command
2. Restricted Ability to Manoeuvre
3. Constrained by Draught
4. Fishing
5. Sail
6. Motor (including motor sailing)
Tugs are treated as motor vessels, unless they are also RAM or CBD
http://www.falmouthport.co.uk/commercial/html/docu...

The lifeboat has a vessel under tow so is limited in its ability to manoeuvre and due to being under tow and in shallow water the yacht will have constrained ability to manouevre and constrained by draught - it's just been aground!
The yacht should have avoided a potential collision. There is no reason for the yacht to have not gone behind the casualty & area of danger.

However the vessel is not under tow at the time the other yacht approaches although potentially restricted in its ability to manouvere, but then that yacht is technically constrained by draught as it is going for a tight gap.

End of the day no one was hurt, the boat was free'd and everyone had a jolly good afternoon.

Yes but. . . yes but . . .

[ecsrobin]

el stovey said:

Yes but. . . yes but . . .

[schmalex]

The amount of numpties who race once a year in the RITR, think they're competent and then wind up hitting the wreck or sailing like idiots round that area after causing causing chaos all the way up the Solent for proper racing sailors beggars belief.

The wreck should be broken up. It is a true hazard and moves ever so slightly, so is very difficult to predict its exact position. There are a few tricks where you take a transit from the top of the lighthouse to a particular point on the shore that make sure you are well clear, but they put you 20 / 30m too far out, which has a major impact when you're against the tide.

There should also be a requirement for people to complete a minimum number of races before making a nuisance of themselves in a large event

I detest the RITR. Unfortunately, it's part of the RORC series, but it's the most awful event to try to race in professionally.

[ecsrobin]

schmalex said:

The amount of numpties who race once a year in the RITR, think they're competent and then wind up hitting the wreck or sailing like idiots round that area after causing causing chaos all the way up the Solent for proper racing sailors beggars belief.

The wreck should be broken up. It is a true hazard and moves ever so slightly, so is very difficult to predict its exact position. There are a few tricks where you take a transit from the top of the lighthouse to a particular point on the shore that make sure you are well clear, but they put you 20 / 30m too far out, which has a major impact when you're against the tide.

There should also be a requirement for people to complete a minimum number of races before making a nuisance of themselves in a large event

I detest the RITR. Unfortunately, it's part of the RORC series, but it's the most awful event to try to race in professionally.

Sadly we didn't compete in RTIR this year but hoping for next year although as you say a lot of boats to dodge which isn't easy on a 65ft swan!

[Popeyed]

ecsrobin said:

el stovey said:

Yes but. . . yes but . . .

When it comes down to determining the liabilities in the event of an actual collision between vessels (I don't ever recall a case of 100% liability falling on one party), the detail of the COLREGS and who did what are analysed to the ninth degree. When possibly millions of dollars are at stake, it's quite important.

[ecsrobin]

Well it is for both skippers to avoid collision.

[hidetheelephants]

paintman said:

ecsrobin said:

Well power gives way to sail, and remember that yacht is also having to navigate around the obstructions that got the other boat into the problem in the first place.

I'd say the only person deserving of a trophy is the yacht that hit a known wreck....

If you know your Colregs you will know that that isn't true & has got a lot of sailors into trouble.
General Rules for Priority:
1. Not Under Command
2. Restricted Ability to Manoeuvre
3. Constrained by Draught
4. Fishing
5. Sail
6. Motor (including motor sailing)
Tugs are treated as motor vessels, unless they are also RAM or CBD
http://www.falmouthport.co.uk/commercial/html/docu...

The lifeboat has a vessel under tow so is limited in its ability to manoeuvre and due to being under tow and in shallow water the yacht will have constrained ability to manouevre and constrained by draught - it's just been aground!
The yacht should have avoided a potential collision. There is no reason for the yacht to have not gone behind the casualty & area of danger.

Perhaps, but I'd question the judgement of whoever called the lifeboat for a grounding in a flat calm and the judgement of the cox attempting to drag her off while there are so many WAAFIs about. The brute-force removal method isn't great either; a gentle pull on a halliard with fat bds clinging onto the boom is a bit more subtle, even better if the fat bds are fit enough to shin up to the spreaders.