BBC Newsround, AKA The Kids Propaganda Service
Discussion
I don't know if anyone else saw "Newsround" this evening, but I can't understand how the BBC can get away with broadcasting such thinly disguised propaganda. Global warming, Kyoto Protocol (and the evil Americans who haven't signed up to it) and "walk to school to save pollution"! These were all being forced down the throats of our impressionable youngsters.
You can bet my little one is going to be getting lessons in the delights of the motor vehicle as soon as possible! Is the government secretly trying to raise a generation of socialist car-hating weasles?
You can bet my little one is going to be getting lessons in the delights of the motor vehicle as soon as possible! Is the government secretly trying to raise a generation of socialist car-hating weasles?
Whilst I don't agree with all the global warming b
s, I do think that the Kyoto Agreement and walking to school iniative is a good, sensible thing for our nations kids to understand.
The Kyoto agreement is far more than just a car-bashing exercise, it is the kind of protocol which needs to be introduced to IMPROVE car design so that it can regain social acceptance.
As for walking to school I think it's a lost art. It's half-term this week and the 18 mile car journey to work is only taking me 50 minutes instead of the the normal 1.5 - 2 hours!!! I for one think that less school-run traffic is a necessity to clear our grid-locked roads and also be beneficial to childrens health.
Just because something has the interests of health and the environment at heart doesn't automatically make it a freedom-killing nanny state control policy.
s, I do think that the Kyoto Agreement and walking to school iniative is a good, sensible thing for our nations kids to understand. The Kyoto agreement is far more than just a car-bashing exercise, it is the kind of protocol which needs to be introduced to IMPROVE car design so that it can regain social acceptance.
As for walking to school I think it's a lost art. It's half-term this week and the 18 mile car journey to work is only taking me 50 minutes instead of the the normal 1.5 - 2 hours!!! I for one think that less school-run traffic is a necessity to clear our grid-locked roads and also be beneficial to childrens health.
Just because something has the interests of health and the environment at heart doesn't automatically make it a freedom-killing nanny state control policy.
I agree that there's nothing wrong with telling kids to walk to school for congestion's sake, but there is another issue at stake here: 'unnecessary' journies.
As PHers, we thrive on so-called 'unnecessary journies', and kids ARE being indoctrinated through school and programmes like Newsround and Blue Peter to nag their parents into becoming enviro-numpties.
That said, it's been the same since I wore shell suits, had a flourescent green mountain bike and watched Ghostbusters. Not meaning to encourage ignorance, but there are some issues that, unless you have to deal with the consequences of them, just shouldn't be forced upon youngsters.
I remember yammering on at my parents not to drive and to recycle everything, but my Dad shut me up by giving me a book about classic cars and telling me "If you keep saying that, your favourite cars will go away."
I was a bit upset at the time, but come to think of it, he was telling it like it is. I'm sure one day I'll do something similar.
As PHers, we thrive on so-called 'unnecessary journies', and kids ARE being indoctrinated through school and programmes like Newsround and Blue Peter to nag their parents into becoming enviro-numpties.
That said, it's been the same since I wore shell suits, had a flourescent green mountain bike and watched Ghostbusters. Not meaning to encourage ignorance, but there are some issues that, unless you have to deal with the consequences of them, just shouldn't be forced upon youngsters.
I remember yammering on at my parents not to drive and to recycle everything, but my Dad shut me up by giving me a book about classic cars and telling me "If you keep saying that, your favourite cars will go away."
I was a bit upset at the time, but come to think of it, he was telling it like it is. I'm sure one day I'll do something similar.
v8thunder said:
I agree that there's nothing wrong with telling kids to walk to school for congestion's sake, but there is another issue at stake here: 'unnecessary' journies.
As PHers, we thrive on so-called 'unnecessary journies', and kids ARE being indoctrinated through school and programmes like Newsround and Blue Peter to nag their parents into becoming enviro-numpties.
Hold on - our journeys are not 'unnecessary' - the whole point is that we're driving our cars. Unnecessary journeys are ones that could be made in other ways, to everyone's benefits.
I'm all for kids walking to school - they get healthier, there's less pollution and the roads are emptier. Good all round.
Tuna said:
I agree that there's nothing wrong with telling kids to walk to school for congestion's sake, but there is another issue at stake here: 'unnecessary' journies.
As PHers, we thrive on so-called 'unnecessary journies', and kids ARE being indoctrinated through school and programmes like Newsround and Blue Peter to nag their parents into becoming enviro-numpties.
Hold on - our journeys are not 'unnecessary' - the whole point is that we're driving our cars. Unnecessary journeys are ones that could be made in other ways, to everyone's benefits.
I'm all for kids walking to school - they get healthier, there's less pollution and the roads are emptier. Good all round.
Yes, me too, that's what I said.
But it's only one small step from "don't drive me to school" to "don't drive for pleasure" isn't it? They're both 'unnecessary journies'.
los angeles said:
Don't understand what is "socialist" about walking to school. Didn't sweet Jesus do that? As for "forcing propaganda" down throats, I assume your argument doesn't include every crap toy, junk breakfast cereal, video game aimed at them in television commercials on the other channels.
On the whole I agree with your sentiment about walking to school. But when it comes to lecturing about commercials for kids, perhaps if you weren't ensconsed in that 'Gomorrah of Lost Angels' replete with a whole sub-industry geared toward exploiting children with their nasty plastic 'officaly endorsed' heroes and role models, it wouldn't seem like a kettly-pot knee-jerk counterpoint...
Dr Strangelove said:
Don't understand what is "socialist" about walking to school. Didn't sweet Jesus do that? As for "forcing propaganda" down throats, I assume your argument doesn't include every crap toy, junk breakfast cereal, video game aimed at them in television commercials on the other channels.
On the whole I agree with your sentiment about walking to school. But when it comes to lecturing about commercials for kids, perhaps if you weren't ensconsed in that 'Gomorrah of Lost Angels' replete with a whole sub-industry geared toward exploiting children with their nasty plastic 'officaly endorsed' heroes and role models, it wouldn't seem like a kettly-pot knee-jerk counterpoint...
Just because LA lives there doesn't mean there's agreement, surely?
limpsfield said:
IS anyone running a book on when this forum is going to get its name changed from "The Pie and Piston" to "the Daily Mail and Blue Rinse"?
I don't agree with this at all. Just because I don't agree with some things does not necessarily mean i agree with all the Daily Mail Blue rinse people do. In this case it is very worrying, schools kids tv programs are being used to affect the behavoiur and thinking of children. We have heard examples time after time of teachers spouting their views to children, songs they sing at primary schools reflect the evil car. Global warming has not yet been proven to be soley down to mans fault yet if you look at the kids programs and books it is fact. There needs to be debate about lots of things but the goverment wants to stifle debate because after debate people ask questions and don't do as they are told. The goverment talks about kyoto with once voice yet sits back and allows jobs to go to India, China etc where they are building coal fired power stations which will negate all of the savings agreed(not acheived)in a couple of years.
I am not an expert on Global warming neither are half of the nutters who have now found another cause to stick their nose into, Unfortunatly many are teachers and tv persons who have the means to get their issue heard.
limpsfield said:
IS anyone running a book on when this forum is going to get its name changed from "The Pie and Piston" to "the Daily Mail and Blue Rinse"?
Spot on with that one, the agenda on here really is getting beyond a joke. Virtually all reputable scientists worldwide back the principles behind the Kyoto Treaty, many to the extent of claiming it is insufficient. Labelling it as some form of brainwashing is just beyond laughable.
Don't get in too much of a twist over this (says the geezer with the pendulous embolism): Aunty's been at it for years.
In the old days it was a bit more jolly hockeysticks but for the last 25 years, it's been increasingly PC.
You should try the crap my 3 year old daughter is exposed to: it's like some kind of positively discriminatory CRE campaign.
It's just as well the first word she learnt was Lamborghini (I sh1t you not) and that already she invokes debate as to whether Ferrari's Berlinetta Boxer was better served by carburettors or fuel injection...
Hail.
In the old days it was a bit more jolly hockeysticks but for the last 25 years, it's been increasingly PC.
You should try the crap my 3 year old daughter is exposed to: it's like some kind of positively discriminatory CRE campaign.
It's just as well the first word she learnt was Lamborghini (I sh1t you not) and that already she invokes debate as to whether Ferrari's Berlinetta Boxer was better served by carburettors or fuel injection...
Hail.
spaximus said:
In this case it is very worrying, schools kids tv programs are being used to affect the behavoiur and thinking of children. We have heard examples time after time of teachers spouting their views to children...
It's the tip of the iceberg, Kids are being brainwashed wholesale, up and down the country, throughout the curriculum. Our kid was made to watch 'Mississippi's Burning' in an English Lesson last week. So instead of learning one of his 3R's, he was being indoctrinated into how the white society showed its inhumanity to a black society. This was followed by a de-briefing and a test..., as he so eloquently put it. "the idiots are just making divisions, where there arn't any at our school". precisely one week later, he now tells me that the 'asian kids' and "the black kids" have seperated into their own ethnic groups!, we (and our kids) are sleepwalking into oblivion, led by laws created by weak fools. In the future their will be no secular views allowed to influence society. There will be one way, and that will be the party way. Phoney Tony and his coterie are the 'New Order Party'
Dr Strangelove said:
It's the tip of the iceberg, Kids are being brainwashed wholesale, up and down the country, throughout the curriculum. Our kid was made to watch 'Mississippi's Burning' in an English Lesson last week. So instead of learning one of his 3R's, he was being indoctrinated into how the white society showed its inhumanity to a black society. This was followed by a de-briefing and a test..., as he so eloquently put it. "the idiots are just making divisions, where there arn't any at our school". precisely one week later, he now tells me that the 'asian kids' and "the black kids" have seperated into their own ethnic groups!, we (and our kids) are sleepwalking into oblivion, led by laws created by weak fools. In the future their will be no secular views allowed to influence society. There will be one way, and that will be the party way. Phoney Tony and his coterie are the 'New Order Party'
Holy HRT. First of all, Missisippi burning is a great film and I cannot believe any harm can come from your nipper in watching it. Kids always separate into ethnic groups as far as I know. I was borin in and grew up in Wales (the country that is going to win the 2005 six nations) and I am Welsh. But I am English speaking Welsh - the Welsh speaking & welsh tutored
Welsh and us lot did not mix in the eary years.
I am sure people have been speaking of whichever govt is in power as the "New Order" since time immaterial. They are all arses, blue or red (light red at the moment admittedly, sort of a purple, bluey-red)
My 3 year old boy is growing up in leafy-true-blue Tory-Volvo/BMW/Mercedes-Toby and Clarissa-2 weeks in Tuscany-Surrey. But I have no fears of him turning into a Tim-Nice-But-Dim arse because of mine and his mother's input.
We should keep some perspective I think. There will always be things we disagree with or do not like the way they are presented. But it is not the end of the world.
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