No tax and MOT
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creampuff

Original Poster:

6,511 posts

173 months

Saturday 9th January 2016
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If your car is SORN, that you can lawfully drive to a pre-booked MOT with an untaxed vehicle is clear.

How about driving home again after you pass the MOT?

DuraAce

4,272 posts

190 months

Saturday 9th January 2016
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It's allowed. Doesn't the law say "to and from a pre booked mot" or words to that effect..

Hamish Finn

476 posts

138 months

Saturday 9th January 2016
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Red Devil

13,527 posts

238 months

Saturday 9th January 2016
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DuraAce said:
It's allowed. Doesn't the law say "to and from a pre booked mot" or words to that effect..
yes VERA 1994 Schedule 2 Section 22(1)(a) and 22(1)(b) plus Section 22(1A)(a) and 22(1A)(b) - http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/22/schedu...

A good idea to get it taxed as soon as possible after it has passed though.

Hamish Finn

476 posts

138 months

Saturday 9th January 2016
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Red Devil said:
yes VERA 1994 Schedule 2 Section 22(1)(a) and 22(1)(b) plus Section 22(1A)(a) and 22(1A)(b) - http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/22/schedu...

A good idea to get it taxed as soon as possible after it has passed though.
Why?

It's on SORN.


wack

2,103 posts

236 months

Saturday 9th January 2016
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I've used a garage 40 miles away for the last 10 years

I rang dvsa to ask if driving it to MOT 40 miles away was a problem , they told me no as long as it was straight to the MOT and straight back

It passed so I taxed it straight away

Red Devil

13,527 posts

238 months

Saturday 9th January 2016
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Hamish Finn said:
Red Devil said:
yes VERA 1994 Schedule 2 Section 22(1)(a) and 22(1)(b) plus Section 22(1A)(a) and 22(1A)(b) - http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/22/schedu...

A good idea to get it taxed as soon as possible after it has passed though.
Why?

It's on SORN.
Why would anyone bother to MOT a SORNed car unless they were going to put it back on the road? Except maybe as a sweetener for a sale. Then it might make sense but a test drive would be problematical with the SORN still in place.

wack said:
I've used a garage 40 miles away for the last 10 years

I rang dvsa to ask if driving it to MOT 40 miles away was a problem , they told me no as long as it was straight to the MOT and straight back

It passed so I taxed it straight away
I've done much further than that. The legislation makes no stipulation whatever about distance. I bought a car in the Wirral without a MOT Certificate. It was mechanically sound (had it checked out beforehand). Booked a test in Kent and drove it back (260 miles). It passed with flying colours.

GC8

19,910 posts

220 months

Sunday 10th January 2016
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Regular Southampton to Sheffield for me, with an Edinburgh to Sheffield too, for good measure. All perfectly legal. There is no restriction and police officers who postulate that 'we take this to mean...' should be ignored.

4rephill

5,170 posts

208 months

Sunday 10th January 2016
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GC8 said:
Regular Southampton to Sheffield for me, with an Edinburgh to Sheffield too, for good measure. All perfectly legal. There is no restriction and police officers who postulate that 'we take this to mean...' should be ignored.
Perfectly legal but you are taking the pcensoredss out of the system and if you meet the wrong traffic officer along the way then they may decide to impound the car for having no MOT at the time (especially if you're travelling at a time when the MOT garage you've booked into cannot be contacted), regardless of your protestations at the roadside! - After all, they can always simply apologise to you when you go to all the inconvenience of having to go and collect your car the following day or whenever.




SS2.

14,712 posts

268 months

Sunday 10th January 2016
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4rephill said:
GC8 said:
Regular Southampton to Sheffield for me, with an Edinburgh to Sheffield too, for good measure. All perfectly legal. There is no restriction and police officers who postulate that 'we take this to mean...' should be ignored.
Perfectly legal...
Yes, it is.

4rephill said:
..and if you meet the wrong traffic officer along the way then they may decide to impound the car for having no MOT at the time (especially if you're travelling at a time when the MOT garage you've booked into cannot be contacted), regardless of your protestations at the roadside!
Seized, for no MOT ?

GC8

19,910 posts

220 months

Sunday 10th January 2016
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4rephill said:
GC8 said:
Regular Southampton to Sheffield for me, with an Edinburgh to Sheffield too, for good measure. All perfectly legal. There is no restriction and police officers who postulate that 'we take this to mean...' should be ignored.
Perfectly legal but you are taking the pcensoredss out of the system and if you meet the wrong traffic officer along the way then they may decide to impound the car for having no MOT at the time (especially if you're travelling at a time when the MOT garage you've booked into cannot be contacted), regardless of your protestations at the roadside! - After all, they can always simply apologise to you when you go to all the inconvenience of having to go and collect your car the following day or whenever.
I'm sorry, but you're talking out of your arse.

davepoth

29,395 posts

229 months

Sunday 10th January 2016
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wack said:
I've used a garage 40 miles away for the last 10 years

I rang dvsa to ask if driving it to MOT 40 miles away was a problem , they told me no as long as it was straight to the MOT and straight back

It passed so I taxed it straight away
Driving to the post office to tax it after the MOT would be illegal, so be careful with that.

Red Devil

13,527 posts

238 months

Sunday 10th January 2016
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4rephill said:
GC8 said:
Regular Southampton to Sheffield for me, with an Edinburgh to Sheffield too, for good measure. All perfectly legal. There is no restriction and police officers who postulate that 'we take this to mean...' should be ignored.
Perfectly legal but you are taking the pcensoredss out of the system and if you meet the wrong traffic officer along the way then they may decide to impound the car for having no MOT at the time (especially if you're travelling at a time when the MOT garage you've booked into cannot be contacted), regardless of your protestations at the roadside! - After all, they can always simply apologise to you when you go to all the inconvenience of having to go and collect your car the following day or whenever.
Well if you're going to be that daft... rolleyes

SS2. said:
Seized, for no MOT ?
I don't believe it either. Otherwise it would be impossible to drive any car to a pre-booked MOT test. Devolved powers exist to seize for no tax but since VERA 1994 provides a clear exemption I would argue that any such seizure on that ground would be unlawful. The police are supposed to uphold the law not subjectively interpret bits of it they might not particularly like or approve of. If there was an obvious breach of C&U Regs that would be a different matter.

davepoth said:
Driving to the post office to tax it after the MOT would be illegal, so be careful with that.
Why would that not be covered under VERA 1994 Schedule 2 Section 22(1)(b) and 22(1A)(b)?
It is rather pointless having an exemption to go to the test yet for it to magically vanish when you want to return from it.
Mind you with some of the vagaries/quirks of UK law, and in particular some police persons' interpretation of it, nothing would surprise me.

If I'm wrong and the exemption does not apply, the solution is simple. As long as your phone can connect to the internet, renew online before you leave the MOT centre. Sorted.



Collectingbrass

3,001 posts

225 months

Monday 11th January 2016
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I fell foul of the deer departed one on this very topic & I learned my lesson. Nearly every car seized for "no MOT" has actually been seized for "no insurance", with "no MOT" being a parallel issue publicised by the police at the same time. However, like Loon, I do doubt that a car has been seized for "no MOT" alone, particularly in the circumstances here.

I suppose it could be seized if it were to fail a road side vehicle exam, however the chances of that must realistically be very rare, especially if you had proof of the MOT booking on you and a good reason for passing every other MOT testing station on your journey. That said, I do fall in the camp of not giving plod a reason to make your life harder than it should be, especially if the worst case outcome is a long walk or a large taxi fare.

HantsRat

2,409 posts

138 months

Monday 11th January 2016
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Don't talk trash. We do not seize cars for having no MOT.

northwest monkey

6,370 posts

219 months

Monday 11th January 2016
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I'm surprised at that really. I would have thought having no MOT would be a good reason to seize a car.

Although thinking about it, how could it ever be resolved if the car was in a compoundlaugh

SS2.

14,712 posts

268 months

Monday 11th January 2016
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HantsRat said:
Don't talk trash. We do not seize cars for having no MOT.
Letting the facts get in the way of the perpetuation of another internet myth - that'll never do !

SS2.

14,712 posts

268 months

Monday 11th January 2016
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northwest monkey said:
I'm surprised at that really.
Whilst the police have been granted powers to seize vehicles under certain circumstances, no MOT isn't one of them.