997 turbo gen 2 and C4 GTS
Discussion
Hi all
I know there are no crystal balls here but I am considering changing my very low mileage 2010 turbo (8k) for a 2011 c4 GTS cab (13k). Both mint.
Rationale is that I love a cab and I miss the NA noise etc. with the turbo. Love the speed and power though It's the usual 'nuclear detachment' feeling the turbo can bring.
Anyway - 2 questions. From people who have driven / owned both what is your honest opinion on comparison? Secondly - which will be the best financially for depreciation do you think?
The GTS is a very rare car, especially as a 4 cab, but the turbos seem to be rising.
Please help!,
Thanks.
I know there are no crystal balls here but I am considering changing my very low mileage 2010 turbo (8k) for a 2011 c4 GTS cab (13k). Both mint.
Rationale is that I love a cab and I miss the NA noise etc. with the turbo. Love the speed and power though It's the usual 'nuclear detachment' feeling the turbo can bring.
Anyway - 2 questions. From people who have driven / owned both what is your honest opinion on comparison? Secondly - which will be the best financially for depreciation do you think?
The GTS is a very rare car, especially as a 4 cab, but the turbos seem to be rising.
Please help!,
Thanks.
Edited by RT on Monday 11th January 23:29
Can't help you on future values - but I suspect out of all the GTS models the 4wd cab will be the least sought after.
I sold my 2GTS manual car and went to a turbo. Personally I would stick to the turbo - I think as much as the sounds of the GTS is nice, you will miss the power delivery of the turbo.
I sold my 2GTS manual car and went to a turbo. Personally I would stick to the turbo - I think as much as the sounds of the GTS is nice, you will miss the power delivery of the turbo.
Feel free to disagree, but i would say the most desirable spec for a GTS would be a manual 2WD. On that basis, i'd say a 4WD GTS PDK is the least desirable as a result.
As for your thoughts on changing, i pretty much did the same thing for the same reasons (except the convertible bit).
As for your thoughts on changing, i pretty much did the same thing for the same reasons (except the convertible bit).
I was at a meeting today at a Porsche centre and a well respected buyer stated that the 997 Turbo and even more so the Turbo S models prices are stable and rising , as often proves the case the 997 may well be the last of the drivers Porsches with the future cars losing something . Either way he is correct prices are rising .
Ignoring the investment potential of both cars and thinking enjoyment, I went from 997 turbo coupe, to 997 turbo cab to 997 GTS 2wd. All cars were manual. Reason I moved away from the turbo was I got bored of Big Bang performance that lacked noise, high RPM limit and character (even with trick Europipe exhaust). I felt when I got the car into its fun zone I was always on a guaranteed ban or custodial sentence for speeding. Turbos are epic in that zone but I didnt get a chance to go there often enough. GTS I find far more expoitable and challanging at lower speed and to go really quick you have to work it that much harder than the turbo, which I like.
End of the day it is down to personal choice, what your local roads are like, and what floats your boat. I suspect that 997 turbos values will out strip the GTS depreciation wise but GTS vaues are hardly plumeting (they dont seem to have changed in the last 2 years that I have had mine).
End of the day it is down to personal choice, what your local roads are like, and what floats your boat. I suspect that 997 turbos values will out strip the GTS depreciation wise but GTS vaues are hardly plumeting (they dont seem to have changed in the last 2 years that I have had mine).
I've had a lot of 911s, over 30 years and nearly 300,000 mls. Never really been keen on the Turbos, but did have a new 997 Turbo S for three years.
It's all personal, but I also never really connected with it. Yes, it's very capable, but I found it a bit soulless. PDK doesn't help, and a nice manual box might have improved the driver-connection.
With 911s, N/A is part of the character. Coupe or Cab is again personal, but I do like the 4wd system - takes nothing away from the purity. PDK is OK, but much prefer the really good 6-spd.
It's all personal, but I also never really connected with it. Yes, it's very capable, but I found it a bit soulless. PDK doesn't help, and a nice manual box might have improved the driver-connection.
With 911s, N/A is part of the character. Coupe or Cab is again personal, but I do like the 4wd system - takes nothing away from the purity. PDK is OK, but much prefer the really good 6-spd.
Geneve said:
I've had a lot of 911s, over 30 years and nearly 300,000 mls. Never really been keen on the Turbos, but did have a new 997 Turbo S for three years.
It's all personal, but I also never really connected with it. Yes, it's very capable, but I found it a bit soulless. PDK doesn't help, and a nice manual box might have improved the driver-connection.
With 911s, N/A is part of the character. Coupe or Cab is again personal, but I do like the 4wd system - takes nothing away from the purity. PDK is OK, but much prefer the really good 6-spd.
Better not read the headline article this morning then It's all personal, but I also never really connected with it. Yes, it's very capable, but I found it a bit soulless. PDK doesn't help, and a nice manual box might have improved the driver-connection.
With 911s, N/A is part of the character. Coupe or Cab is again personal, but I do like the 4wd system - takes nothing away from the purity. PDK is OK, but much prefer the really good 6-spd.
Interesting to see people agreeing with my thoughts, as i considered myself alone! The 997 Turbo is an impressive car but not - in my opinion - an emotive or engaging one. Yet, people are increasingly buying them - indeed paying over the odds - as a weekend / second car. Why? I suspect because of the badge on the back.
Forget the depreciation and just drive the car you prefer!
Forget the depreciation and just drive the car you prefer!
Interestingly none of my mates could understand me wanting to "go down" from the turbo. I think for some (not all) the idea of owning the "top of the range" 911 provides more reward than traditional driving involvement. That sounds like a criticism but it is not meant to be as I get it (and felt the same for a while). Everyone should stick to whatever floats their boat and will be different for each of us, life is too short.
I'm another who prefers the normally aspirated 911s over the Turbos (although haven't tried the new 991.2 yet).
However, a few years ago I drove a 997 Gen 2 Turbo PDK back-to-back with a 2.7RS.
OK, chalk and cheese. Both great, in their own ways, but one was everything you expect from a 911 and a grin a minute. The other was clinically efficient but a touch remote - more road noise than engine/exhaust note iirc. Horses for courses, I suppose.
However, a few years ago I drove a 997 Gen 2 Turbo PDK back-to-back with a 2.7RS.
OK, chalk and cheese. Both great, in their own ways, but one was everything you expect from a 911 and a grin a minute. The other was clinically efficient but a touch remote - more road noise than engine/exhaust note iirc. Horses for courses, I suppose.
The 997 Turbo and Turbo S are probably the last of the 'drivers' Turbos (as far as turbos go!) being replaced by the less involving 991s which also did not provide a huge step up in accessible performance.....hence the rising prices of in particular the Tts.
But driving interaction with the GTS is on another level......although yours being a 4wd and to a lesser extent cab this dilutes what the GTS is about....purest in 2wd and 'manuel' form with perfectly balanced now obsolete hydraulic steering and a lovely box although personally I prefer PDK on the car for my needs.
Value wise the Turbo is currently probably better and whilst the values of proper spec and mileage GTS has changed little over the past three years, they have recently stalled and several are available at sensible money suggesting further falls are inevitable.
If the choice was 997 Tts v GTS 2wd coupe I would say evenly matched. If the choice is 997 Tts v GTS 4wd cab the Tts wins on all counts.
But driving interaction with the GTS is on another level......although yours being a 4wd and to a lesser extent cab this dilutes what the GTS is about....purest in 2wd and 'manuel' form with perfectly balanced now obsolete hydraulic steering and a lovely box although personally I prefer PDK on the car for my needs.
Value wise the Turbo is currently probably better and whilst the values of proper spec and mileage GTS has changed little over the past three years, they have recently stalled and several are available at sensible money suggesting further falls are inevitable.
If the choice was 997 Tts v GTS 2wd coupe I would say evenly matched. If the choice is 997 Tts v GTS 4wd cab the Tts wins on all counts.
C4 GTS - feels a bit too heavy and lacks a bit of oomph.
Steering feel and general drive sensational in both cars. Turbo more visceral, if you have drive the right roads as part of monthly routine, a bit of a waste if you don't. I am having a riot driving my car.
Both cars look great in their own ways, GTS more tidy and simple, Turbo all tits and ass.
Steering feel and general drive sensational in both cars. Turbo more visceral, if you have drive the right roads as part of monthly routine, a bit of a waste if you don't. I am having a riot driving my car.
Both cars look great in their own ways, GTS more tidy and simple, Turbo all tits and ass.
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