B52's - show of force - why?
B52's - show of force - why?
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TheJimi

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27,656 posts

272 months

Tuesday 12th January 2016
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See here - http://theaviationist.com/2016/01/11/b-52-overflie...

Now, I love a BUFF as much as the next guy ( hehe ) but this genuinely baffles me a bit.

Why is a B52 seen as a show of force when cruise missiles and ballistic missiles exist and the enemy knows you've got them?

Is it purely a psychological thing?

Z06George

2,519 posts

218 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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Yeah I saw that too and thought what's the point. To be fair with your cruise missile point, B52s can launch them although a sub would probably be easier and I wouldn't be surprised if the Americans have one sat off the coast of NK.

sherman

15,201 posts

244 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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Most places would st themselves and take the threat seriously if a squadron of B52 bombers appeared overhead and carpet bombed the capital.

Tactical strikes are all very well but causing mass panick will produce better results.

Eric Mc

125,606 posts

294 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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Shows of force can be just as effective as actually dropping bombs or firing missiles.

Read the book "Phoenix Squadron" to see how this technique can be used.


SwissJonese

1,546 posts

204 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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A friend told me the USA keep these old beasts flying just for show of force, because all their more advanced/modern aircraft are too stealthy?

Not much point in show of force if the aircraft is near silent and invisible to radar.

anonymous-user

83 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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SwissJonese said:
A friend told me the USA keep these old beasts flying just for show of force, because all their more advanced/modern aircraft are too stealthy?

Not much point in show of force if the aircraft is near silent and invisible to radar.
The reason they're still in service is because they're relatively cheap to operate and are very effective at dropping a shed load of bombs at very long range.

A relatively small number of current US military aircraft are "stealth" aircraft.



Hooli

32,278 posts

229 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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Eric Mc said:
Shows of force can be just as effective as actually dropping bombs or firing missiles.

Read the book "Phoenix Squadron" to see how this technique can be used.

Damn good book thumbup

It also mentions how Topgun was setup by the Yanks asking the Fleet Air Arm to borrow some trainers from Lossiemouth. Those trainers then trained a bunch of yanks who became the first instructors at Topgun.

Tango13

10,047 posts

205 months

Wednesday 13th January 2016
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Hooli said:
Damn good book thumbup

It also mentions how Topgun was setup by the Yanks asking the Fleet Air Arm to borrow some trainers from Lossiemouth. Those trainers then trained a bunch of yanks who became the first instructors at Topgun.
Are you sure about the Topgun bit?

http://www.amazon.com/Scream-Eagles-Dramatic-Accou...

I've read this a couple of times and I don't recall any mention of the FAA.


Hooli

32,278 posts

229 months

Thursday 14th January 2016
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Tango13 said:
Hooli said:
Damn good book thumbup

It also mentions how Topgun was setup by the Yanks asking the Fleet Air Arm to borrow some trainers from Lossiemouth. Those trainers then trained a bunch of yanks who became the first instructors at Topgun.
Are you sure about the Topgun bit?

http://www.amazon.com/Scream-Eagles-Dramatic-Accou...

I've read this a couple of times and I don't recall any mention of the FAA.
I'll check, but I'm pretty sure it's early on in the book.

z06tim

558 posts

215 months

Thursday 14th January 2016
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Hooli said:
Tango13 said:
Hooli said:
Damn good book thumbup

It also mentions how Topgun was setup by the Yanks asking the Fleet Air Arm to borrow some trainers from Lossiemouth. Those trainers then trained a bunch of yanks who became the first instructors at Topgun.
Are you sure about the Topgun bit?

http://www.amazon.com/Scream-Eagles-Dramatic-Accou...

I've read this a couple of times and I don't recall any mention of the FAA.
I'll check, but I'm pretty sure it's early on in the book.

It is definitely in the book and I'm inclined to believe it, although it may be embellished a little.

This link is interesting: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/503...

That other book about Vietnam sounds interesting too, thanks for posting.

anonymous-user

83 months

Sunday 17th January 2016
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Hooli said:
Eric Mc said:
Shows of force can be just as effective as actually dropping bombs or firing missiles.

Read the book "Phoenix Squadron" to see how this technique can be used.

Damn good book thumbup

It also mentions how Topgun was setup by the Yanks asking the Fleet Air Arm to borrow some trainers from Lossiemouth. Those trainers then trained a bunch of yanks who became the first instructors at Topgun.
I thought it was a pretty dull read. Over dramatised quite a bit.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

290 months

Sunday 17th January 2016
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Hooli said:
Damn good book thumbup

It also mentions how Topgun was setup by the Yanks asking the Fleet Air Arm to borrow some trainers from Lossiemouth. Those trainers then trained a bunch of yanks who became the first instructors at Topgun.
It's exaggerated but with some truth in it.

When the US Navy decided to set up a school for air combat. One of their instructors was a South African born FAA pilot on an exchange assignment, Lt Cmdr DIck Lord. Although the US Navy hadn't taught air combat for years the FAA had never stopped and Lt Cmdr Lord had been an instructor on the course, so it's inconceivable that he didn't have significant input.



aeropilot

40,526 posts

256 months

Monday 18th January 2016
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Inkyfingers said:
SwissJonese said:
A friend told me the USA keep these old beasts flying just for show of force, because all their more advanced/modern aircraft are too stealthy?

Not much point in show of force if the aircraft is near silent and invisible to radar.
The reason they're still in service is because they're relatively cheap to operate and are very effective at dropping a shed load of bombs at very long range.
^This.

Plus the old girls, despite their advancing years, are much more reliable than the newer, higher tech B-1 or B-2.