Tyres for V12V
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Hello All
My recent purchase has what the dealer called summer tyres on it and today when I was turning I found out why.
I don't really know anything about tyres other than they are the black round things on each corner. I'd be interested to know everything thats important including the basics like why have a winter and summer tyre, why not just have one tyre that grips all year round? You can probably tell, I know nothing! 
If I buy a winter set, my dealer has offered to store the summer set and change them over once a year for £200, does that sound good?
My recent purchase has what the dealer called summer tyres on it and today when I was turning I found out why.
I don't really know anything about tyres other than they are the black round things on each corner. I'd be interested to know everything thats important including the basics like why have a winter and summer tyre, why not just have one tyre that grips all year round? You can probably tell, I know nothing! If I buy a winter set, my dealer has offered to store the summer set and change them over once a year for £200, does that sound good?
Edited by Quarterly on Monday 18th January 19:48
Your car will probably be on Corsas which dont like temps below 7 degrees and work much better when warm, so more of a summer tyre. Aston do do a winter tyre but as i dont use mine in the winter i,m not up to speed on prices but others here will know.
There is also the p zero which is more friendly and AM approved.
There is also the p zero which is more friendly and AM approved.
A tyre shop will swap your wheels over for £20-30 tops so you are paying £170+ for storing 4 wheels. Hmmm.
V12 Vantages are delivered with a tyre that works well on road and track. Usually the Pirelli Corsa...
Warning: P Zero Corsa System radials meet DOT requirements, however they are not recommended for driving in wet conditions where standing water is present and there is the risk of hydroplaning; drivers should drive cautiously at reduced speeds if they encounter these conditions. This is especially true of shaved or worn tires. And like other Streetable Track & Competition tires, these tires are not intended to be stored, serviced nor driven in near- or below freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice.
Some owners swap them out for a road focused tyre like the Pirelli P zero but still Aston approved with the AM8 markings. Last quote I had was £890 fitted inc everything.
Next is the out and out winter tyre of which i have zero experience so cannot comment.
Im still on the Corsas and do have a few moments each day but still here to tell the tale
V12 Vantages are delivered with a tyre that works well on road and track. Usually the Pirelli Corsa...
Warning: P Zero Corsa System radials meet DOT requirements, however they are not recommended for driving in wet conditions where standing water is present and there is the risk of hydroplaning; drivers should drive cautiously at reduced speeds if they encounter these conditions. This is especially true of shaved or worn tires. And like other Streetable Track & Competition tires, these tires are not intended to be stored, serviced nor driven in near- or below freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice.
Some owners swap them out for a road focused tyre like the Pirelli P zero but still Aston approved with the AM8 markings. Last quote I had was £890 fitted inc everything.
Next is the out and out winter tyre of which i have zero experience so cannot comment.
Im still on the Corsas and do have a few moments each day but still here to tell the tale
Mine came with Corsas on which need careful warming up and probably need to be changed far sooner as they are very sensitive to tread depth.
I know have PZeros on and have a lot more confidence in them. Not sure I would bother with winter tyres unless it is your DD and you want to have Corsas on for summer use.
I know have PZeros on and have a lot more confidence in them. Not sure I would bother with winter tyres unless it is your DD and you want to have Corsas on for summer use.
My car came with Pirelli P Zero Corsas, and had very poor traction in winter. I changed them when the tread got low at about 7,000 miles to Michelin Pilot Supersports, and the car now has pretty good traction year round. I could not say how the very well regarded Michelins compare to the non-Corsa version of the P Zero.
Aston also recommend a proper winter tyre - the Pirelli Sottozero. If you put those on for the winter you would almost certainly take them off for the summer, when they would otherwise be much less good than sports tyres. In my opinion there is no reason to consider that option unless you expect to drive the car on ice or snow (I have Sottozeros on an SUV). My son has put Sottozeros on a Ferrari FF, and plans to take them to the mountains later in the winter. You can see these tyres and hear what he says about them here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huVItT7o5JQ
On other cars I pay £20 at the start and end of winter to swap the tyres - but have room in those cars to transport the tyres I have taken off back home, and room at home to store them. (Unfortunately I also have the vast Ferrari summer tyres in my garage!)
Aston also recommend a proper winter tyre - the Pirelli Sottozero. If you put those on for the winter you would almost certainly take them off for the summer, when they would otherwise be much less good than sports tyres. In my opinion there is no reason to consider that option unless you expect to drive the car on ice or snow (I have Sottozeros on an SUV). My son has put Sottozeros on a Ferrari FF, and plans to take them to the mountains later in the winter. You can see these tyres and hear what he says about them here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huVItT7o5JQ
On other cars I pay £20 at the start and end of winter to swap the tyres - but have room in those cars to transport the tyres I have taken off back home, and room at home to store them. (Unfortunately I also have the vast Ferrari summer tyres in my garage!)
Am very interested in this as I need rear tyres replacing around spring time. My Corsas are around 3mm to 3.5mm and even in late summer/Autumn last year in the dry the drive was unsettling as the tyres weren't gripping well.
I believe the remaining tread hardens below around 3.5mm and lose grip. I won't be replacing them for more Corsas.
I like the sound of the Michelin PSS but only need to replace the rears so may be advisable to get the P Zero non-Corsas:-
1. Can you run Corsas on the front & non-Corsas on the rear?
2. Can you run Corsas on front and Michelin PSS on the rear?
3. Has anyone had both non-Corsas and MPSS who could comment on both?
I believe the remaining tread hardens below around 3.5mm and lose grip. I won't be replacing them for more Corsas.
I like the sound of the Michelin PSS but only need to replace the rears so may be advisable to get the P Zero non-Corsas:-
1. Can you run Corsas on the front & non-Corsas on the rear?
2. Can you run Corsas on front and Michelin PSS on the rear?
3. Has anyone had both non-Corsas and MPSS who could comment on both?
My last few cars I have done the whole summer tyre / winter tyre thing as my car is my daily driver and will be out in all weathers. Had them on AMG Mercs, 911 C4S, Vantage V8 and now V12S
I could not find a set of tyres to fit my Vantage V12 S Roadster wheels so ended up buying a set of wheels as well.
Ended up with Vantage V8 S wheels with a set of Pirelli Sottozero Snowflake
My local dealer has been very helpful with changing, storage and getting them refurbished ready for the April switch over.
My experience of the winter tyre is that I can push it fairly hard in the wet down to 5c. The last week it has dropped to below freezing and this weekend was still ok pushing hard. Pull away got twitchy at times but out of first had no issues. Braking has been fantastic at all times on the Tyres.
Not tried the Michelins I got a deal on my package so went for that but have heard many good reports that they are solid all year round.
Oh and by the way if you are after after a set o winter wheels I have a set for sale where all proceeds go to the Burghley charity let me know if interested.
Regards
Graham
I could not find a set of tyres to fit my Vantage V12 S Roadster wheels so ended up buying a set of wheels as well.
Ended up with Vantage V8 S wheels with a set of Pirelli Sottozero Snowflake
My local dealer has been very helpful with changing, storage and getting them refurbished ready for the April switch over.
My experience of the winter tyre is that I can push it fairly hard in the wet down to 5c. The last week it has dropped to below freezing and this weekend was still ok pushing hard. Pull away got twitchy at times but out of first had no issues. Braking has been fantastic at all times on the Tyres.
Not tried the Michelins I got a deal on my package so went for that but have heard many good reports that they are solid all year round.
Oh and by the way if you are after after a set o winter wheels I have a set for sale where all proceeds go to the Burghley charity let me know if interested.
Regards
Graham
The Michelin Supersports are a lot better when cold and in the wet. I would feel much more comfortable approaching standing water with the Michelins whereas the Corsas would have me clenching.
I don't think the Corsas are well suited to the V12V, I had them on a Gallardo and they were superb right through winter. I know its a 4wd car but its very rear biased and it was possible to slide it around on the Corsas wet or dry.
I don't think the Corsas are well suited to the V12V, I had them on a Gallardo and they were superb right through winter. I know its a 4wd car but its very rear biased and it was possible to slide it around on the Corsas wet or dry.
I changed all four tyres at the same time. I would expect it would be ok to put PSS or P Zero (non-Corsa) on the back with Corsas still on the front, so you have more grip at the back when grip is marginal. I would not think that from this point of view there is any difference between getting P Zeros or PSS. If I was shopping now I would be looking for reviews.
You could always purchase something like the wheelpod link below fix it to your garage/shed wall and store the spare wheels and tyres yourselves. £100 all in covers storage for as long as you want.
http://wheelpod.co.uk/
http://wheelpod.co.uk/
Presumably you have seen this?
http://www.evo.co.uk/features/16545/best-tyres-evo...
Indeed P Zero (non Corsa) seem a good option and shouldn't affect the value of the car if you do sell with them on. Not sure if the higher ranked ones are available in the V12V sizes.
http://www.evo.co.uk/features/16545/best-tyres-evo...
Indeed P Zero (non Corsa) seem a good option and shouldn't affect the value of the car if you do sell with them on. Not sure if the higher ranked ones are available in the V12V sizes.
t0s said:
Presumably you have seen this?
http://www.evo.co.uk/features/16545/best-tyres-evo...
Indeed P Zero (non Corsa) seem a good option and shouldn't affect the value of the car if you do sell with them on. Not sure if the higher ranked ones are available in the V12V sizes.
Not sure how helpful an evo test of hot hatch, fwd tyres is to decide which tyres to fit to a V12V.http://www.evo.co.uk/features/16545/best-tyres-evo...
Indeed P Zero (non Corsa) seem a good option and shouldn't affect the value of the car if you do sell with them on. Not sure if the higher ranked ones are available in the V12V sizes.
I am happy with Corsas for April to mid-November and Sottozeros for mid-November to March. Next time I need summers, I may try Pilot SuperSports. I've never had an issue with the Corsas in those months, even when it's been very wet. I was up in Yorkshire with the Corsas on the car in mid-November with heavy rain, lots of running and standing water on the roads and no drama.
Zod said:
Not sure how helpful an evo test of hot hatch, fwd tyres is to decide which tyres to fit to a V12V.
A good point, but having worked in this area ...there will be differences in the results attributable to the differences in the handling of the cars, but the differences between the tyres can still be relevant, especially for straight-line tests like braking and aquaplaning.t0s said:
A good point, but having worked in this area ...there will be differences in the results attributable to the differences in the handling of the cars, but the differences between the tyres can still be relevant, especially for straight-line tests like braking and aquaplaning.
They also didn't test the best summer, road, performance tyre on the market - the Michelin Pilot Supersport.For some reason, the Michelin that they choose was the Pilot Sport 3 which, contradictorily, isn't really a performance tyre and certainly wasn't a development of the famed PS2.
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