Dodging a bullet...
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Mill Wheel

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6,149 posts

226 months

Thursday 21st January 2016
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Hypothetically, if I banged into another car, causing a great deal of damage, and possible an injury, could I sell my vehicle, and promise not to get another while living in the same town, and avoid any prosecution or claim for damage that might arise?

Mill Wheel

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6,149 posts

226 months

Thursday 21st January 2016
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Well, what puzzles me is how council officers, and police officers in the Poppy Worthington case can be derelict in their duty... but simply resign, and not face any consequences, while mere mortals like you and me have to face up to whatever wrongdoing we commit!

xjay1337

15,966 posts

148 months

Thursday 21st January 2016
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Not sure if serious.

fatjon

2,299 posts

243 months

Thursday 21st January 2016
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Mill Wheel said:
Well, what puzzles me is how council officers, and police officers in the Poppy Worthington case can be derelict in their duty... but simply resign, and not face any consequences, while mere mortals like you and me have to face up to whatever wrongdoing we commit!
Could not agree more. A very valid point well made.

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 21st January 2016
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How is anyone involved criminally and civilly 'safe' through resigning / retiring?

That's what you're proposing with that brilliant analogy.

The only thing removing oneself from an organisation does is remove the possibility of internal misconduct matters being acted upon.



Edited spelling.



Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 21st January 15:16

xjay1337

15,966 posts

148 months

Thursday 21st January 2016
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Not to mention if you resign in a very public battle you are going to be basically unhirable.
That's worse than a jail sentence imo.

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 21st January 2016
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Is this one of those topics where the OP says something stupid, has that pointed out to them, and never returns?

popeyewhite

23,087 posts

150 months

Thursday 21st January 2016
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La Liga said:
Is this one of those topics where the OP says something stupid, has that pointed out to them, and never returns?
No, it's another topic where in order to bolster your ego you attempt to belittle other's posts, and make yourself look an arse.

At least Loon's tttery has gone.

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 21st January 2016
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My ego is highly dependant on candid anonymous internet exchanges.



Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 21st January 17:58

marting

668 posts

204 months

Thursday 21st January 2016
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popeyewhite said:
No, it's another topic where in order to bolster your ego you attempt to belittle other's posts, and make yourself look an arse.

At least Loon's tttery has gone.
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anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 21st January 2016
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If a totally misleading opening post that amounts to a wholly flawed analogy is your bag, then this is a topic for you wink


Mill Wheel

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Thursday 21st January 2016
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xjay1337 said:
Not to mention if you resign in a very public battle you are going to be basically unhirable.
That's worse than a jail sentence imo.
Nick Gargan seems to have done quite well for himself!
Resigned after being found guilty of misconduct, the PCC said Mr Gargan had been given three months' pay "in lieu of notice as the terms of his contract state" and felt allowing him to resign was the cheapest option.

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 21st January 2016
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Appeal to extremes fallacy. Does it have to occur on every occasion to be true?

andymc

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237 months

Thursday 21st January 2016
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xjay1337 said:
Not to mention if you resign in a very public battle you are going to be basically unhirable.
That's worse than a jail sentence imo.
i summise you've never been to jail then

xjay1337

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148 months

Thursday 21st January 2016
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andymc said:
i summise you've never been to jail then
Well, no. :-)

But just think, either get done quietly and come back after what, 18 months tops these days? Come back out and you can just say you were on a career break or decided to do some DIY or travel or any old BS.

Or have your name and bad history plastered across the news for 3 months and then try to get back into a role? No-one would hire you.

Rovinghawk

13,300 posts

188 months

Thursday 21st January 2016
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xjay1337 said:
Not to mention if you resign in a very public battle you are going to be basically unhirable.
That's worse than a jail sentence imo.
Julia Morrison seems to be doing very well for herself advising NHS managers on how to be great leaders.

Mill Wheel

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Thursday 21st January 2016
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It is difficult to form an analogy when members of the public rarely find themselves in situations where they can resign from a post and seemingly avoid facing the consequences of their actions - or lack of actions.

In the Poppy Worthington case, the county council even tried to get a court to have their employees evidence and statements sealed for 15 years.
Locally this case has been in the news constantly since the victim died, and those who should have acted to investigate the death right away do not seem entirely to blame. But allowing the "players" to resign has caused a loss of confidence in the authorities, which will take years to restore.

One of the police officers gave an interview in which he seemed to place the blame at the door of his superiors, implicating the lack of resources. Council employees have done the same, but since everyone seems more interested in covering their arses than in revealing the truth, the risks to other vulnerable parties has not been diminished.

The whole affair has been mismanaged from the very start, but instead of owning up, the affair has been cloaked in secrecy, and it took the actions of several media outlets to force the facts to become public.
It should NOT be the job of the media to carry out this oversight.

Late this evening the IPCC released a statement saying that they would pursue the parties involved, and ensure that if guilty of neglect of duty, they would be prosecuted. It has taken three years to finally get to a point where people will be held accountable.
If only this was the case in all cases!

anonymous-user

84 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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3 years isn't an unusual timeline given how many courts and bodies are involved.

Mill Wheel said:
It is difficult to form an analogy when members of the public rarely find themselves in situations where they can resign from a post and seemingly avoid facing the consequences of their actions - or lack of actions.
You can't form one because there are no differences to exploit - well not differences on your side. You could highlight how private individuals are unlikely to be subject to the scrutiny of external bodies and the courts, and that they don't have specific criminal offences just for their role (e.g. misconduct in a public office), if you wanted to.

Take any private employee who resigns prior to any internal misconduct matter being dealt with. Upon resignation, they are no longer subject to any internal misconduct proceedings because they no longer work for the organisation.

That doesn't preclude them from criminal matters, just as it doesn't for public sector workers.

BertBert

21,299 posts

241 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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Hypothetically, if I started a thread with a blatantly stupid opening post, then waited for it to be critiqued before posting what I actually wanted to discuss, would I be a complete knob?

Bert

RobinOakapple

2,802 posts

142 months

Friday 22nd January 2016
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BertBert said:
Hypothetically, if I started a thread with a blatantly stupid opening post, then waited for it to be critiqued before posting what I actually wanted to discuss, would I be a complete knob?

Bert
Yes, you would.