Now we are a far more civilised country (Fox Hunting)
Discussion
This is an issue about which debate is pointless. Those who disagree with hunting cannot be persuaded to think differently with arguments about freedoms. Those who agree with hunting cannot be persuaded to think differently with arguments about animal welfare.
I, personally, am ashamed that in my country it is possible for government to act with such a degree of bigotry.
It will be interesting to see whether or not such a ban is lifted in the future.
I, personally, am ashamed that in my country it is possible for government to act with such a degree of bigotry.
It will be interesting to see whether or not such a ban is lifted in the future.
bruciebabie said:However don't go thinking this is automaticaly a victory for the government and those opposed to hunting.
The hunting with dogs ban came in at midnight. Yes.
Everyone ought to know the law is a very badly drafted and probably illegal pile of poo. The Lords had an opportunity given to them by Labout leaders to compromise leaving hunting legal but so severely regulated as to be impractical. The Lords ignored the government, amended the bill knowing full well Labour backbenchers would not stand for it and forceing the governments hand into using the parliament act. The Lords were likened to "turkeys voting for christmas" but in reality were making the government having to face up to the consequences of this incompetant law.
The attorney general has agreed to "suspend" the act until all legal challenges have been exhausted - shows their faith in the legislation. The Appeal Courts judges refused to allow this deferment as it was allowing the government " to hide behind the courts". In other words the judges have said you have passed this act now you must live with the consequences.
The act will come into force and must be enforced which will please the minority of antis and displease the minority who hunted legaly. The majority who don't really care either way will see decent people being prosecuted - and they'll know the real reason why. Labour and its supporters will be persona non grata with large numbers of people.
Whether the act is legitimate, the Law Lords and the ECHR will decide.
bruciebabie said:
The hunting with dogs ban came in at midnight. Yes.
And this achieves what exactly? You see as much as I dislike blood sports foxhunting is not a bad one at all and this whole fiasco has been nothing but a valuable waste of parliamentary time and resources. Time would have been far better used reflecting on the policies in place to protect animals being treated like battery hens.
Perhaps they could take up “tree hugger hunting”
Here's my twopennorth on this:
I actually don't really care one way or the other about fox hunting.
What I object to is the pro lobby claiming that "tens of thousands" of people will be out of a job and that they only get dressed up and have several dogs and a large group of people on horseback chasing a single fox purely to keep the vermin down and save farmers' crops. B0ll0cks. They would get more respect from me if they admitted that they enjoyed it as a sport instead of desperately grasping at holier-than-thou we're-doing-you-a-favour-but-you-don't-know-it arguments to defend what is at root an enjoyment of the chase and the kill.
However, I don't agree with the way the ban was pushed through. The House of Lords rejects it? Push it through anyway! That doesn't say much for our political system and if they can do this with one law then they'll do it with another, thus eroding our personal freedoms more and more each time.
I don't believe it is a class issue - it's a winning votes issue. Tony wants to be seen as a kind man who protects animals from hunting. The British, after all, love their animals more than their children (how many pubs have you seen that say "No Children" but allow dogs??).
And before anyone steps up and starts telling me I have no idea what I'm on about, I grew up in the country and lived on a farm where hunts regularly took place. So there.
I actually don't really care one way or the other about fox hunting.
What I object to is the pro lobby claiming that "tens of thousands" of people will be out of a job and that they only get dressed up and have several dogs and a large group of people on horseback chasing a single fox purely to keep the vermin down and save farmers' crops. B0ll0cks. They would get more respect from me if they admitted that they enjoyed it as a sport instead of desperately grasping at holier-than-thou we're-doing-you-a-favour-but-you-don't-know-it arguments to defend what is at root an enjoyment of the chase and the kill.
However, I don't agree with the way the ban was pushed through. The House of Lords rejects it? Push it through anyway! That doesn't say much for our political system and if they can do this with one law then they'll do it with another, thus eroding our personal freedoms more and more each time.
I don't believe it is a class issue - it's a winning votes issue. Tony wants to be seen as a kind man who protects animals from hunting. The British, after all, love their animals more than their children (how many pubs have you seen that say "No Children" but allow dogs??).
And before anyone steps up and starts telling me I have no idea what I'm on about, I grew up in the country and lived on a farm where hunts regularly took place. So there.
PetrolTed said:
Here we go again...
I went to see the Cotswold final (official) meet in Broadway. The whole village turned out to cheer them and not an anti in sight! The Lygon Arms handed out free refreshments and it was a great site. A bus of Japanese tourists turned up all snapping their cameras.
Now instead of catching burglars; the police prefer the easy option of catching speeding motorists with scameras and huntsmen on horses with faked evidence from the league of cruel sports.
bruciebabie said:
The hunting with dogs ban came in at midnight. Yes.
The only thing that worries me about this is bliar is going after trail riding/driving now i don't know what really goes on in hunting cause i've never been on one,all we have seen is propaganda i live near churchbridge and the activists their are a discrace.
If the anti hunting lot are the same i know i wounld'nt belive a thing they said
NHyde said:
Now we are a country which has stepped back over a hundred years with the reintroduction of class facism and dividing the country in to rural and urban ghettos.
Fox hunting is glorifed dog fighting for toffs. Dog fighting for the working classes was banned ages ago. The new law just evens things out between the classes.
birdbrain said:
What I object to is the pro lobby claiming that "tens of thousands" of people will be out of a job and that they only get dressed up and have several dogs and a large group of people on horseback chasing a single fox purely to keep the vermin down and save farmers' crops.
Fox hunting has absolutely nothing to do with vermin control. This is a total lie. The hunt encourage fox population, they need them for their "sport". Look at the British countryside, see those copses, they were planted as homes for foxes. Everywhere in Britain that a hunt has disbanded the fox population has gone down.
i am not convinced that motor racing will escape though. there are already loads of barriers being placed in the way be it from access to public rights of way in the case of trials and rallies to the idiots who bought a house next to Brands Hatch and then complained about the noise thus restricting the number of times the GP circuit can be used. Just wait till the lentil munchers get a bee in their bonnet about the pollution or something....
though i dont agree with fox hunting and find it somewhat barbaric, i feel that the nothing is safe these days and when something like this can be banned, every body involved in a minority sport or past time should be wary....the fox hunters have had their heritage and their livelihood stripped, who is to say what other sports could be next.
though i dont agree with fox hunting and find it somewhat barbaric, i feel that the nothing is safe these days and when something like this can be banned, every body involved in a minority sport or past time should be wary....the fox hunters have had their heritage and their livelihood stripped, who is to say what other sports could be next.
bruciebabie said:
Now we are a country which has stepped back over a hundred years with the reintroduction of class facism and dividing the country in to rural and urban ghettos.
Fox hunting is glorifed dog fighting for toffs. Dog fighting for the working classes was banned ages ago. The new law just evens things out between the classes.
bruciebabe , in one short sentence ,you have proved my point
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And this achieves what exactly? You see as much as I dislike blood sports foxhunting is not a bad one at all and this whole fiasco has been nothing but a valuable waste of parliamentary time and resources. Time would have been far better used reflecting on the policies in place to protect animals being treated like battery hens.
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It achieves civilisation. What can be going through those sad people's minds as they charge across the countryside with a big pack of dogs chasing a wild dog so that they can tear it apart? It is just vile, primitive and uncivilised. It reflects badly on all of us as human beings so now, with the ban, our society is a better place.
And this achieves what exactly? You see as much as I dislike blood sports foxhunting is not a bad one at all and this whole fiasco has been nothing but a valuable waste of parliamentary time and resources. Time would have been far better used reflecting on the policies in place to protect animals being treated like battery hens.
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It achieves civilisation. What can be going through those sad people's minds as they charge across the countryside with a big pack of dogs chasing a wild dog so that they can tear it apart? It is just vile, primitive and uncivilised. It reflects badly on all of us as human beings so now, with the ban, our society is a better place.
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