996 Turbo Prices - Has everyone gone insane?
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Just perusing the classifieds and it appears that manual 996 Turbos are going for the same or even more than 997 Turbos. As an example there is currently a 996 Cab at Paragon going for, wait for it... £54000+!!! (with only 62,000 miles on the clock!).
Has the world gone mad? Are 996 Turbos now more desirable than their 997 counterparts?
I don't mean to sound rude about the 996s as is fashionable, but we must be due for a correction on these soon surely.
Has the world gone mad? Are 996 Turbos now more desirable than their 997 counterparts?
I don't mean to sound rude about the 996s as is fashionable, but we must be due for a correction on these soon surely.
The right combination is certainly very desirable.
996 turbo: manual, coupe is certainly very desirable and once you start overlaying these requirements cuts down the number of good cars available, which in turn drives up demand and asking prices.
Whether it's a better choice than the more complex 997 turbo is arguable, but some prefer them others don't.
Pound for pound both the 996 and 997 turbo are still great value and very usable.
996 turbo: manual, coupe is certainly very desirable and once you start overlaying these requirements cuts down the number of good cars available, which in turn drives up demand and asking prices.
Whether it's a better choice than the more complex 997 turbo is arguable, but some prefer them others don't.
Pound for pound both the 996 and 997 turbo are still great value and very usable.
JasonRIx said:
Just perusing the classifieds and it appears that manual 996 Turbos are going for the same or even more than 997 Turbos. As an example there is currently a 996 Cab at Paragon going for, wait for it... £54000+!!! (with only 62,000 miles on the clock!).
Has the world gone mad? Are 996 Turbos now more desirable than their 997 counterparts?
I don't mean to sound rude about the 996s as is fashionable, but we must be due for a correction on these soon surely.
Wait til you see the prices of the 964s, you're gunna get a right shock! Has the world gone mad? Are 996 Turbos now more desirable than their 997 counterparts?
I don't mean to sound rude about the 996s as is fashionable, but we must be due for a correction on these soon surely.
nwates said:
No but 997 manual turbos undervalued now
Might be this.The 996/7 turbos and GTs have, essentially, similar Mezger engines (GTs have internals to allow higher revving) and these are much revered power units. Aside from the last of the aircooleds, the last of the Mezgers probably is the next collectable, classic pool of motors.
There are a lot of other factors at play. The 996 was once considered a bit of any ugly duckling by some, but aesthetically, that was less so for the wide body C4 and turbo. You also have to look where turbo vs. Gt prices are to see whether there's a sensible premium, or not, for the respective rarity of the GT or RS models.
Obviously, looking purely at the simplistic "older cars must be worth less" metric is pretty meaningless with sports and classic cars.
Digga said:
Obviously, looking purely at the simplistic "older cars must be worth less" metric is pretty meaningless with sports and classic cars.
No, obviously one doesn't have to be unable to recognise that old cars often go up in value to question a 996 Turbo being priced that high. I didn't think that would need mentioning.My thoughts are that the 996 Turbo feels too modern to get away with being regarded as a classic and too 'past it', especially in terms of interior, to really be considered acceptably modern.
I had the chance to buy one of these a few years ago and it looks like I could have made a bit of money from it. Though I would have had to drive round in it for a chunk of time as the downside. But each to their own - I certainly do recognise that people like different things.
I think what will be interesting will be what happens when the new turbo models filter through to the used market. I wonder if the older water-cooled turbos will lose some of their appeal generally when turbo-charged, torquey thrills become the norm in Porsche models. The new 997.2 S model has 996 Turbo beating performance by all accounts. Who would have guessed?
So 996 Turbo's thats a funny one. I think the issue they have is that they just aren't what you expect. I mean in history the 991 turbo was a real machine, the hardest of the hardest if 911's were difficult to drive, the turbo's were impossible...this was kind of true until the 993 which did all that 4 wheel drive thing.......and then came the 996 turbo absolutely fantastic at going super fast, super safe, and possibly the quickest car from A to B even with a pretty average driver... but thats kind of the issue, they are fast, very fast, but in a safe and controlled way......
i really wanted to want one of these but settle for a 997s with all its engine issues in the end at it just felt more like a light normal 911....... not perfect but better
i really wanted to want one of these but settle for a 997s with all its engine issues in the end at it just felt more like a light normal 911....... not perfect but better
Magic919 said:
JasonRIx said:
The new 997.2 S model has 996 Turbo beating performance by all accounts. Who would have guessed?
Not me and I own one.Digga said:
And it's relatively simple to get a 996/7 turbo up to 500bhp and not unheard of to go a whole heap further than that, at which point you are in a different ball park. Plus you still have the Mezger engine.
997TT's come with at least 500bhp from the factory! There are quite a few running around with 700bhp+and the OP - Yes I think they have - I couldn't justify £30k on one after seeing the quality of the interior!
Moosh said:
Nothing wrong with the quality of my 996 turbo's interior. 2004, over 70'000 miles on the clock, driven hard all the time and still looks like new inside. I can't say that for any other car I own.
Sorry, perhaps style rather than 'qaulity'! Different strokes for different folks and still looks like new inside. I can't say that for any other car I own.
Moosh said:
Nothing wrong with the quality of my 996 turbo's interior. 2004, over 70'000 miles on the clock, driven hard all the time and still looks like new inside. I can't say that for any other car I own.
Personally, I like the 996 interior. Mine's a full leather trim job and I'd also agree that for a 62k mile, 15 year old car, it looks remarkably tidy and durable. I know they look very dated compared to a 997 dash and positively out of the Ark compared to a 991 and, in a way, I really, really like that. It's got anything a pure driving car needs and not a bell, whistle or fairy-light extra. I personally find modern dashboards amazingly interesting and clever, but a bit too busy. and still looks like new inside. I can't say that for any other car I own.StuH said:
997TT's come with at least 500bhp from the factory! There are quite a few running around with 700bhp+
Sorry, yes, point taken - my wording was slightly confusing but you know what I mean; the turbos are very 'tuneable'.EGTE said:
"Dated" interior never stopped people liking air-cooled 911s, which are comparatively prehistoric.
I agree. At some point - and early 996s are over 15 years old now - the older, recent model cars, become classics. All depending on the individual's POV of course.mollytherocker said:
Its irrelevant though isn't it? I am sure a new Golf GTI would annihilate a 911 2.7 RS. So what?
Well... most people would say that the 996 Turbo is a very fast car. Porsche 911 Turbos have been noted for their power. It is also notable that in not much more than ten years a Carrera S has surpassed the performance of a 996 Turbo. That would be surprising to some people.
I'm not sure how comparing two very different cars with 40+ years between them helps illustrate your point.
JasonRIx said:
Well... most people would say that the 996 Turbo is a very fast car. Porsche 911 Turbos have been noted for their power. It is also notable that in not much more than ten years a Carrera S has surpassed the performance of a 996 Turbo.
That would be surprising to some people.
I'm not sure how comparing two very different cars with 40+ years between them helps illustrate your point.
Theres what, 15 years between them? Is it that surprising? 930had 260bhp in 1974 and the 964 Carrera had 250bhp 15 years later.That would be surprising to some people.
I'm not sure how comparing two very different cars with 40+ years between them helps illustrate your point.
Its just progress.
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