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marshalla said:
For a start, there was no patent. He filed two applications late last year, but neither has been granted yet.
Fairly sure he was open about that. He said he had it patented then explained it hadn't been signed off. Looked to me more like a stumbling over technicalities from someone that isn't familiar with terminologies than anything else.I still can't see the scam element?
Flight of fancy at worst.
DrTre said:
Fairly sure he was open about that. He said he had it patented then explained it hadn't been signed off.
I still can't see the scam element?
Flight of fancy at worst.
Without a patent, there's nothing to invest in. There's no guarantee that the patent will be granted - and until it's granted he can't disclose what it is for fear of losing the rights to it.I still can't see the scam element?
Flight of fancy at worst.
I think there's a bit being read into an innocent, if slightly bizarre, thread here.
The only mention I saw of investment was the fact he didn't want any.
He's been a member for years, he had a conversation with someone about wool that made him easily identifiable (I'm guessing) and his name is in his profile/patent application. Doesn't scream scam to me but I might well be wrong.
The only mention I saw of investment was the fact he didn't want any.
He's been a member for years, he had a conversation with someone about wool that made him easily identifiable (I'm guessing) and his name is in his profile/patent application. Doesn't scream scam to me but I might well be wrong.
DrTre said:
I think there's a bit being read into an innocent, if slightly bizarre, thread here.
The only mention I saw of investment was the fact he didn't want any.
He's been a member for years, he had a conversation with someone about wool that made him easily identifiable (I'm guessing) and his name is in his profile/patent application. Doesn't scream scam to me but I might well be wrong.
He may just be incredibly naive and honestly believe that the way to do things is :The only mention I saw of investment was the fact he didn't want any.
He's been a member for years, he had a conversation with someone about wool that made him easily identifiable (I'm guessing) and his name is in his profile/patent application. Doesn't scream scam to me but I might well be wrong.
a) invent something so radical that nobody has ever thought of it before
b) before you have the patent and can talk about the invention, sign up a celebrity to do a programme about it
c) find a production company to make the programme because you have a famous person to talk about the thing that can't be talked about
d) wait for the TV channels to beat a path to your door to get the rights to show this programme about the thing nobody can talk about
e) Profit.
Of course, if a patent lawyer was involved they might have given some advice contrary to that. And if the invention was that radical, the inventor might just sit tight until the patent is granted and they can announce it and market it.
P.S. - his last post before that thread seems to have been in 2014. I'm wondering if it might be a hacked account ?
Edited by marshalla on Friday 5th February 19:16
It was a bit of an odd one. I didn't see any scam, and in fairness he had only ever said an application was lodged for a patent, it was everyone else filling in the gap that he had one.
I think he didn't really do himself any favours with the flowery language implying he would soon be a master of the universe and then clamming up.
Either spill the beans or just keep schtum - it's the irritating teasers that got people's backs up.
I think he didn't really do himself any favours with the flowery language implying he would soon be a master of the universe and then clamming up.
Either spill the beans or just keep schtum - it's the irritating teasers that got people's backs up.
Not absolute proof, but more than enough red flags to convince anybody that is not completely naive.
His first post claimed that he had patented his invention, which provided to be false on two counts. There was only an idea, not an invention and at best there had only been an application. However the posters relationship to the patents suggested was weak & dubious.
He had no comprehension of how the patent process works or even its purpose.
His post were completely illiterate, significant worse than my 11yo niece. This is not something that bother me, but simply doesn't fit with his claim to have been a mechanical design engineer in a drafting office for decades. High levels of illiteracy is used as a deliberate filter of gullibility by con-artists. When the communication is too good, more interest is expressed by smarter & less gullible people that later drop out. Too many false positive and scammers have to work harder.
Posting a poorly written messages filters out smarter less gullible people and attracts more trusting and forgiving people. Scammers are not stupid they just act that way to disarm their targets. However they are human and do make mistakes, such as asking for responders to use an email address related to a website for Nigerian faith healer and counsellor with a correspondence Doctorate.
While the opening request was for PH member to help him contact James May, whom he wanted to make a video. The video was to attract investors. However he was reputedly turned down by May's agent because the OP wasn't prepared to pay a fee to May for the video.
He was inconsistent with regard to investors, claiming not to be looking for investors, but then revealing he only had £100k of the £500k he needed to bring his idea to market.
Mock resistance then giving way and being persuaded is a common strategy utilised by fraudsters, by making the 'mark' pursued the scammer; resistance by the mark is removed.
The investors would also receive no equity, again another area where he would later be persuaded to give way, re-enforcing the marks's opinion that they could do business with the inventor. A serious inventor would know he would need to give equity in return for an investment.
His first post claimed that he had patented his invention, which provided to be false on two counts. There was only an idea, not an invention and at best there had only been an application. However the posters relationship to the patents suggested was weak & dubious.
He had no comprehension of how the patent process works or even its purpose.
His post were completely illiterate, significant worse than my 11yo niece. This is not something that bother me, but simply doesn't fit with his claim to have been a mechanical design engineer in a drafting office for decades. High levels of illiteracy is used as a deliberate filter of gullibility by con-artists. When the communication is too good, more interest is expressed by smarter & less gullible people that later drop out. Too many false positive and scammers have to work harder.
Posting a poorly written messages filters out smarter less gullible people and attracts more trusting and forgiving people. Scammers are not stupid they just act that way to disarm their targets. However they are human and do make mistakes, such as asking for responders to use an email address related to a website for Nigerian faith healer and counsellor with a correspondence Doctorate.
While the opening request was for PH member to help him contact James May, whom he wanted to make a video. The video was to attract investors. However he was reputedly turned down by May's agent because the OP wasn't prepared to pay a fee to May for the video.
He was inconsistent with regard to investors, claiming not to be looking for investors, but then revealing he only had £100k of the £500k he needed to bring his idea to market.
Mock resistance then giving way and being persuaded is a common strategy utilised by fraudsters, by making the 'mark' pursued the scammer; resistance by the mark is removed.
The investors would also receive no equity, again another area where he would later be persuaded to give way, re-enforcing the marks's opinion that they could do business with the inventor. A serious inventor would know he would need to give equity in return for an investment.
Edited by 4x4Tyke on Saturday 6th February 10:44
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