356A Speedster Indonesia, to good to be true ?
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I spotted this fully restored 1958 356A Speedster for sale through Jeffry Classic Cars in Semarang, Indonesia. The chap has provided a COA and a catalogue of pictures including all matching numbers. The car was advertised in Classic Porsche Mag with similar adverts running in Motor Sport and Speedsters.com for another 56 car.
They were very quick in providing all the information I requested and suggested a 50% deposit would secure the car with the balance due on sight of shipping documents.
I suggested I would rather the Porsche Centre in Jakarta handle the whole thing for me and that I'd put them in funds to complete the deal and ship the car to me in the UK.
I've since heard nothing from them and can't reach the number on their website. Has anyone heard of or had any dealings with them. Naturally I wouldn't want anyone let alone myself throw a heap of cash into the Indian Ocean.
They were very quick in providing all the information I requested and suggested a 50% deposit would secure the car with the balance due on sight of shipping documents.
I suggested I would rather the Porsche Centre in Jakarta handle the whole thing for me and that I'd put them in funds to complete the deal and ship the car to me in the UK.
I've since heard nothing from them and can't reach the number on their website. Has anyone heard of or had any dealings with them. Naturally I wouldn't want anyone let alone myself throw a heap of cash into the Indian Ocean.
stichill99 said:
I also saw this in the Porsche mags and yes it has to be a SCAM!!!! I often wonder how often the uneducated get shafted!
How do we educate the uneducated to stop genuine people getting caught out. It's horrible to think that some poor chap could pick up "Classic Porsche Mag" and get sucked in by these crooks. Is there a high hitting website for scams we could raise alerts on. The worrying thing is that to the untrained eye they have a passable website.JUST FOR THE RECORD
Hi Alan,
Thanks for the confirmation.
Its ok, we can make the invoice as your request.
But to process the transaction we need to make the sales of contract for the transaction.
Please send us the customer contact info (full name, address & phone number).
Here's the procedure how we handle for overseas transaction.
Normally we take 50% as the down payment, the down payment is require to process the transaction and shipping of the car,
also the downpayment needed as guarantee from you as buyer.
When the downpayment receive, we will close the car advertised, cancel another offer and confirm the car (1958 Porsche 356A Speedster) is sold to you and than we will process the shipping and all the transaction neccessary, the arrangements take times 5-7 days.
Upon the arrangements and shipping process are finish, than you will be contact by shipping company (PT.Java Global Express)
to confirm the shipment and send you shipping info (Shipping schedule, Tracking # & Container #), so you can track the car is on delivery.
Also shipping company will take some photo's of the car in container and supply to you.
After receive all those information and the car is in shipping position, than you have to pay the balance of payment 50% before the car shiped. Bill of lading documents will be release to you after all the payment is complete.
The payment must be send by secure wire transfer to company bank account.
To protect both side, we will make a sales of contract of the transaction.
On the contract would be write about the transaction details, car condition, payment terms and shipping.
The legal contract would protect both of us and will be sign by both side (Buyer & Seller) and
shipping company as middle man for the transaction.
Looking forward to hearing from you again.
Best Regards,
Thomas Wicaksono, S.E.
PT. Jeffry Classic Cars | Lead Sales Representative
Thomas@JeffryClassicCars.biz.id
Tel 1: +62-812-1358-9600
Tel 2: +62-812-1358-9700
Fax: +62-812-1358-9800
http://www.JeffryClassicCars.biz.id/
Hi Alan,
Thanks for the confirmation.
Its ok, we can make the invoice as your request.
But to process the transaction we need to make the sales of contract for the transaction.
Please send us the customer contact info (full name, address & phone number).
Here's the procedure how we handle for overseas transaction.
Normally we take 50% as the down payment, the down payment is require to process the transaction and shipping of the car,
also the downpayment needed as guarantee from you as buyer.
When the downpayment receive, we will close the car advertised, cancel another offer and confirm the car (1958 Porsche 356A Speedster) is sold to you and than we will process the shipping and all the transaction neccessary, the arrangements take times 5-7 days.
Upon the arrangements and shipping process are finish, than you will be contact by shipping company (PT.Java Global Express)
to confirm the shipment and send you shipping info (Shipping schedule, Tracking # & Container #), so you can track the car is on delivery.
Also shipping company will take some photo's of the car in container and supply to you.
After receive all those information and the car is in shipping position, than you have to pay the balance of payment 50% before the car shiped. Bill of lading documents will be release to you after all the payment is complete.
The payment must be send by secure wire transfer to company bank account.
To protect both side, we will make a sales of contract of the transaction.
On the contract would be write about the transaction details, car condition, payment terms and shipping.
The legal contract would protect both of us and will be sign by both side (Buyer & Seller) and
shipping company as middle man for the transaction.
Looking forward to hearing from you again.
Best Regards,
Thomas Wicaksono, S.E.
PT. Jeffry Classic Cars | Lead Sales Representative
Thomas@JeffryClassicCars.biz.id
Tel 1: +62-812-1358-9600
Tel 2: +62-812-1358-9700
Fax: +62-812-1358-9800
http://www.JeffryClassicCars.biz.id/
AOCMAX said:
JUST FOR THE RECORD
Hi Alan,
Thanks for the confirmation.
Its ok, we can make the invoice as your request.
But to process the transaction we need to make the sales of contract for the transaction.
Please send us the customer contact info (full name, address & phone number).
Here's the procedure how we handle for overseas transaction.
Normally we take 50% as the down payment, the down payment is require to process the transaction and shipping of the car,
also the downpayment needed as guarantee from you as buyer.
When the downpayment receive, we will close the car advertised, cancel another offer and confirm the car (1958 Porsche 356A Speedster) is sold to you and than we will process the shipping and all the transaction neccessary, the arrangements take times 5-7 days.
Upon the arrangements and shipping process are finish, than you will be contact by shipping company (PT.Java Global Express)
to confirm the shipment and send you shipping info (Shipping schedule, Tracking # & Container #), so you can track the car is on delivery.
Also shipping company will take some photo's of the car in container and supply to you.
After receive all those information and the car is in shipping position, than you have to pay the balance of payment 50% before the car shiped. Bill of lading documents will be release to you after all the payment is complete.
The payment must be send by secure wire transfer to company bank account.
To protect both side, we will make a sales of contract of the transaction.
On the contract would be write about the transaction details, car condition, payment terms and shipping.
The legal contract would protect both of us and will be sign by both side (Buyer & Seller) and
shipping company as middle man for the transaction.
Looking forward to hearing from you again.
Best Regards,
Thomas Wicaksono, S.E.
PT. Jeffry Classic Cars | Lead Sales Representative
Thomas@JeffryClassicCars.biz.id
Tel 1: +62-812-1358-9600
Tel 2: +62-812-1358-9700
Fax: +62-812-1358-9800
http://www.JeffryClassicCars.biz.id/
No mention of ebay so much be legit, right?Hi Alan,
Thanks for the confirmation.
Its ok, we can make the invoice as your request.
But to process the transaction we need to make the sales of contract for the transaction.
Please send us the customer contact info (full name, address & phone number).
Here's the procedure how we handle for overseas transaction.
Normally we take 50% as the down payment, the down payment is require to process the transaction and shipping of the car,
also the downpayment needed as guarantee from you as buyer.
When the downpayment receive, we will close the car advertised, cancel another offer and confirm the car (1958 Porsche 356A Speedster) is sold to you and than we will process the shipping and all the transaction neccessary, the arrangements take times 5-7 days.
Upon the arrangements and shipping process are finish, than you will be contact by shipping company (PT.Java Global Express)
to confirm the shipment and send you shipping info (Shipping schedule, Tracking # & Container #), so you can track the car is on delivery.
Also shipping company will take some photo's of the car in container and supply to you.
After receive all those information and the car is in shipping position, than you have to pay the balance of payment 50% before the car shiped. Bill of lading documents will be release to you after all the payment is complete.
The payment must be send by secure wire transfer to company bank account.
To protect both side, we will make a sales of contract of the transaction.
On the contract would be write about the transaction details, car condition, payment terms and shipping.
The legal contract would protect both of us and will be sign by both side (Buyer & Seller) and
shipping company as middle man for the transaction.
Looking forward to hearing from you again.
Best Regards,
Thomas Wicaksono, S.E.
PT. Jeffry Classic Cars | Lead Sales Representative
Thomas@JeffryClassicCars.biz.id
Tel 1: +62-812-1358-9600
Tel 2: +62-812-1358-9700
Fax: +62-812-1358-9800
http://www.JeffryClassicCars.biz.id/
Think I'll call Tom....
Website: jeffryclassiccars.biz.id
Title: Jeffry Classic Cars | Classic & Sports Car Specialist!
Description: Classic & Sports Car Specialist!
Domain Age: 23 Days
Website Speed: Slow
Organisation: PT. Jeffry Classic Cars
Owner: Jeffry Chandra
Owner Address: JL. Gajah Mada No. 189
Owner City: Semarang
Owner Postcode: 50133
Phone Number: +62.213589600
Phone Type: geographic :Jakarta
Source : http://www.scamadviser.com/check-website/jeffrycla...
Title: Jeffry Classic Cars | Classic & Sports Car Specialist!
Description: Classic & Sports Car Specialist!
Domain Age: 23 Days
Website Speed: Slow
Organisation: PT. Jeffry Classic Cars
Owner: Jeffry Chandra
Owner Address: JL. Gajah Mada No. 189
Owner City: Semarang
Owner Postcode: 50133
Phone Number: +62.213589600
Phone Type: geographic :Jakarta
Source : http://www.scamadviser.com/check-website/jeffrycla...
OP did you think it was real at any time? I can't quite work that out.
There's also the poor guy who bought a 65 911 from a dealer in the US only to find it's a mongrel of 67 vintage with obviously (after he got it to the UK) a new VIN being welded in and all kinds of s
te going on.
But why oh why would you spend that much money without independent verification of the car?
Bert
There's also the poor guy who bought a 65 911 from a dealer in the US only to find it's a mongrel of 67 vintage with obviously (after he got it to the UK) a new VIN being welded in and all kinds of s
te going on.But why oh why would you spend that much money without independent verification of the car?
Bert
Speedster.com wrote back to me saying they had no reason to believe they weren't genuine despite the low price. That car is easily worth 3 if not 5 times the money so yes, this had all the hallmarks of a scam.
Here's a typical example of where these guys can get all the convincing material they need to pull off a scam.
http://fantasyjunction.com/cars/1743-Porsche-356A%...
I hope this little thread grows some legs because these guys are advertising quite widely and someone could get caught out. It's heart breaking to hear about the guy expecting delivery of a 911 and a dodgy Morgan turns up.
Back to the drawing board
Here's a typical example of where these guys can get all the convincing material they need to pull off a scam.
http://fantasyjunction.com/cars/1743-Porsche-356A%...
I hope this little thread grows some legs because these guys are advertising quite widely and someone could get caught out. It's heart breaking to hear about the guy expecting delivery of a 911 and a dodgy Morgan turns up.
Back to the drawing board
m040 said:
Website: jeffryclassiccars.biz.id
Title: Jeffry Classic Cars | Classic & Sports Car Specialist!
Description: Classic & Sports Car Specialist!
Domain Age: 23 Days
Website Speed: Slow
Organisation: PT. Jeffry Classic Cars
Owner: Jeffry Chandra
Owner Address: JL. Gajah Mada No. 189
Owner City: Semarang
Owner Postcode: 50133
Phone Number: +62.213589600
Phone Type: geographic :Jakarta
Source : http://www.scamadviser.com/check-website/jeffrycla...
Jeffry's 'home' address is a $22 per night, Ibis Hotel...Title: Jeffry Classic Cars | Classic & Sports Car Specialist!
Description: Classic & Sports Car Specialist!
Domain Age: 23 Days
Website Speed: Slow
Organisation: PT. Jeffry Classic Cars
Owner: Jeffry Chandra
Owner Address: JL. Gajah Mada No. 189
Owner City: Semarang
Owner Postcode: 50133
Phone Number: +62.213589600
Phone Type: geographic :Jakarta
Source : http://www.scamadviser.com/check-website/jeffrycla...
I recently homed in a a Toyota 2000 Gt that was obviously a "bargain".
However when I googled the actual text of the ad the very same car and photographs were to be found on the fantasyjunction site.
And yes I was secretly harbouring dreams of buying a fabulous million $$$ car for the price of a new golf........shattered dreams as ever.
However when I googled the actual text of the ad the very same car and photographs were to be found on the fantasyjunction site.
And yes I was secretly harbouring dreams of buying a fabulous million $$$ car for the price of a new golf........shattered dreams as ever.
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