New card scam
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grumpy52

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6,079 posts

197 months

Tuesday 16th February 2016
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People are carrying hand held point of sale devices around and entering under £30 on the device then placing it next to the victims pocket with a wallet they have observed being put away .

Stinkotanko

168 posts

130 months

Tuesday 16th February 2016
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Cool. Are there any reliable sources for this or did you overhear Dave and Steve in the pub?

BeastMode

31 posts

135 months

Tuesday 16th February 2016
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This is quite old and something the credit card companies don't want to hear (assuming it's due to the cost involved in creating the stupid thing in the 1st place).

Few links:

link 1

link 2

BeastMode

31 posts

135 months

Tuesday 16th February 2016
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Well two links nerd

craigjm

21,664 posts

231 months

Tuesday 16th February 2016
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Doing the rounds on Facebook


grumpy52

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6,079 posts

197 months

Tuesday 16th February 2016
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Was on the Money programme on R4 a while ago ,which I missed .
Came up again on another site recently .
Doesn't take long for the naughty boys n girls to take advantage does it .

kev1974

4,030 posts

160 months

Tuesday 16th February 2016
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If you live near a Metro Bank you can get free RFID-blocking card wallets from them.

They seem to work, in that they stop the tube gates reading my oyster card, and the photocopier at work reading my contactless card number (which they are able to do normally).

rodericb

8,927 posts

157 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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Stinkotanko said:
Cool. Are there any reliable sources for this or did you overhear Dave and Steve in the pub?
Oops, found the guy who works for a bank!

Sump

5,512 posts

198 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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Seems okay if you don't take public transport laugh

anonymous-user

85 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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in the uk wouldn't they need a merchant account. As soon as this is spotted the account would be stopped and money returned, or the bank guarantee to pay the money back, so this is just another chain letter.

grumpy52

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6,079 posts

197 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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[quote=The Spruce goose]in the uk wouldn't they need a merchant account. As soon as this is spotted the account would be stopped and money returned, or the bank guarantee to pay the money back, so this is just another chain letter.[/quote
Most card scams that I have heard of seem to send the money to foreign banks.My parents account was emptied to an account in Budapest, my girlfriends credit card was used all over the USA while she was in Australia .
Moving the monies scammed to overseas banks must make it harder to trace and probably harder to retrieve.
It is no coincidence that most that are caught doing this sort of thing in this country are not UK nationals .

Sheepshanks

41,300 posts

150 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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grumpy52 said:
It is no coincidence that most that are caught doing this sort of thing in this country are not UK nationals .
Certainly the guy in the picture looks like one of them foreigners.

anonymous-user

85 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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grumpy52]he Spruce goose said:
in the uk wouldn't they need a merchant account. As soon as this is spotted the account would be stopped and money returned, or the bank guarantee to pay the money back, so this is just another chain letter.
Most card scams that I have heard of seem to send the money to foreign banks.My parents account was emptied to an account in Budapest, my girlfriends credit card was used all over the USA while she was in Australia .
Moving the monies scammed to overseas banks must make it harder to trace and probably harder to retrieve.
It is no coincidence that most that are caught doing this sort of thing in this country are not UK nationals .
It doesnt matter where they send the money, as part of the agreement to up the limit to £30 the banks are on the hook for it. i.e. they have agreed any fraudulent activity via contactless will be refunded by them immediately.

The merchant ID thing is also valid, these terminals are not easy to get hold of and be set up to work without one, they dont just hand the merchant ID's out willy nilly

anonymous-user

85 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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grumpy52]he Spruce goose said:
in the uk wouldn't they need a merchant account. As soon as this is spotted the account would be stopped and money returned, or the bank guarantee to pay the money back, so this is just another chain letter.[/quote
Most card scams that I have heard of seem to send the money to foreign banks.My parents account was emptied to an account in Budapest, my girlfriends credit card was used all over the USA while she was in Australia .
Moving the monies scammed to overseas banks must make it harder to trace and probably harder to retrieve.
It is no coincidence that most that are caught doing this sort of thing in this country are not UK nationals .
Well the Girlfriend would have more protection from a CC and is guaranteed to get her money back. Your parents account be emptied, I find that hard to believe but I am sure it happened.

grumpy52

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6,079 posts

197 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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As anybody that has been the victim of a card scam it's not just the ago of claiming the money back it's the embarrassing situation of having a card declined and even more so if you are far from home .
When my parents account was emptied the first clue was when the card was declined at the local supermarket .

sc0tt

18,302 posts

232 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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Immigrants

anonymous-user

85 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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grumpy52 said:
As anybody that has been the victim of a card scam it's not just the ago of claiming the money back it's the embarrassing situation of having a card declined and even more so if you are far from home .
When my parents account was emptied the first clue was when the card was declined at the local supermarket .
I'd be more embarrased at having only £30 in my account personally but hey ho

Being serious, you are talking about 2 completely seperate things here

One is cloning a card and emptying your account, this 'apparent' scam (I say apparent because its actually FB bks) is about randomly touching peoples wallets with this device and grabbing £30. Which if it did ever happen would be refunded by your bank with no issue.


grumpy52

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6,079 posts

197 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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You only get a refund if you report it . How many actually check statements ,if you have been on a shopping spree £30 or less could easily slip by un noticed .
Not everything on facebook is boll#cks , though most is ,it has been highlighted on the Money Programme on R4 in the past .

anonymous-user

85 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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grumpy52 said:
You only get a refund if you report it . How many actually check statements ,if you have been on a shopping spree £30 or less could easily slip by un noticed .
Not everything on facebook is boll#cks , though most is ,it has been highlighted on the Money Programme on R4 in the past .
The program you didn't see?

You seem pretty determined to see this as a huge scam that is occuring, working in the industry and for a company that provides many of these devices I can tell you it isn't but I suspect you'd rather believe an FB picture of someone innocently carrying a card reader with some associated text, so I'm out

davek_964

11,346 posts

206 months

Wednesday 17th February 2016
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anonymous said:
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So the bad thing about it is not just the aggro of claiming the money back, but also having your card declined.... but now the problem is that it's such a small amount that you probably wouldn't even notice it's been stolen?