If I was to start building a retro I would .........
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Want it to be an modern interpretation of my original 2.7 RS Touring that I had in the early 90s. Although then red, as bought from John Starkey who brought it into the UK from Canada, from the factory it was yellow with green script. Like the number of models I have around my home, sad !!
It would be built to Touring spec internally and with glass but also with a/c,( try driving a non sunroof, non a/c, 1970s trimmed 911 in the South of France in summer)and decent audio for those autoroute hours. No, that's the excuse, really it will be a daily driver. My boys, when they were in carry cots, were strapped in the back of the RS as I drove daily along the M40 either into London or up to the Midlands. Their mum had gone back to work. I was a house husband/ motor trader and then an RS was a relatively cheap motor. I'm not one for keeping cars in garages, they need to be used.
To make up for the extra weight that the modern conveniences had added I'd go to Nick Fulljames to add a few more bhp. I met him when I lived next to his parents and he worked at Autofarm. I might ask Josh or Nick to find the donor car but I wouldn't mind it's origins. It would be on 7" & 8" Fuchs, 16" big. No more.
No, it wouldn't have a sunroof and it would have a half roll cage. That would be trimmed in leather, the headlining would be light grey alcantara and the dash dark grey alcantara. The leather would be Bridge of Weir dark green with dark grey alcantara inserts.
The joy of a 2.7rs was its handling, I would want to keep that in my recreation. My dad had garages dealing in exotica in the 50s and 60s, I worked in the prestige car industry in the 70s and 80s. But after all my dealings with special cars I will never forget the feeling when I first really thrashed my RS, the noise happening behind me and the sense of working with a thoroughbred. If I could recreate that then that would be bordering on perfection.
What would your retro be, think about it, no second chances. A very good chance it would be a derivative of something you've had before. Your next and final car ? I admit I'm not there yet but im still hoping it will be a Porsche, it will be a car that I've had a great input into and I will drive it very quickly regularly.
Have a go at putting it together, tell us why choices are made and give yourself inspiration.
It would be built to Touring spec internally and with glass but also with a/c,( try driving a non sunroof, non a/c, 1970s trimmed 911 in the South of France in summer)and decent audio for those autoroute hours. No, that's the excuse, really it will be a daily driver. My boys, when they were in carry cots, were strapped in the back of the RS as I drove daily along the M40 either into London or up to the Midlands. Their mum had gone back to work. I was a house husband/ motor trader and then an RS was a relatively cheap motor. I'm not one for keeping cars in garages, they need to be used.
To make up for the extra weight that the modern conveniences had added I'd go to Nick Fulljames to add a few more bhp. I met him when I lived next to his parents and he worked at Autofarm. I might ask Josh or Nick to find the donor car but I wouldn't mind it's origins. It would be on 7" & 8" Fuchs, 16" big. No more.
No, it wouldn't have a sunroof and it would have a half roll cage. That would be trimmed in leather, the headlining would be light grey alcantara and the dash dark grey alcantara. The leather would be Bridge of Weir dark green with dark grey alcantara inserts.
The joy of a 2.7rs was its handling, I would want to keep that in my recreation. My dad had garages dealing in exotica in the 50s and 60s, I worked in the prestige car industry in the 70s and 80s. But after all my dealings with special cars I will never forget the feeling when I first really thrashed my RS, the noise happening behind me and the sense of working with a thoroughbred. If I could recreate that then that would be bordering on perfection.
What would your retro be, think about it, no second chances. A very good chance it would be a derivative of something you've had before. Your next and final car ? I admit I'm not there yet but im still hoping it will be a Porsche, it will be a car that I've had a great input into and I will drive it very quickly regularly.
Have a go at putting it together, tell us why choices are made and give yourself inspiration.
Part of the fun is designing the car as you go along, I'm sure you appreciate that. What's one person's perfect car is not always everybody else's. Lots of nice cars out there, I like a bit of this one, I like a bit of that one, but you have to put it together yourself and just to come up with the design can take ages and lots of mind exercises. What I've described above is not the thoughts of a couple of days but of experiences and memories.
Hey Swede. Sounds like a great project. Sounds like a 964 needs to be your base car. There were a fair few with a/c. 3.2 Carrera would be easier for the Fuchs but you will probably need to look to Europe for a/c. It might be worth taking a look at LWT RSR 911 as it might need just a few mods to fit your bill. Good luck
RS repping is intriguing. To me the the point must be to create something that drives and looks as much like one as possible. Otherwise it's a hot rod. Nothing wrong with that, but it's different. The only reason for an RS rep is budgetary. One that a mere mortal can afford and one that's not too precious to use.
300 bhp does not an RS rep make in my view! Not that I wouldn't want such a car.
Good luck with your project. And you can't go wrong with the excellent Mr Fuljames.
Bert
300 bhp does not an RS rep make in my view! Not that I wouldn't want such a car.
Good luck with your project. And you can't go wrong with the excellent Mr Fuljames.
Bert
So much in life today comes down to budgets. When I sold my genuine RS 2.7 in 1994 through Coys Auctions I got £18,500 minus auction fees. That was a fair price as it had RSR bodywork fitted(before backdating became popular) in Canada when being raced in the 80s. It just wasn't practical with a young family, a house move, etc. then it was just an old Porsche that I dare park anywhere.
With all the money in the world, which I don't have, I wouldn't buy an original classic today. I'd be scared of the idiot behind me, the one coming towards me, the one coming out of the side turning, the one with a car load of kids parking alongside me in an otherwise empty car park. That's the appeal of the retro and if it gets a few dents, that's patina.
With all the money in the world, which I don't have, I wouldn't buy an original classic today. I'd be scared of the idiot behind me, the one coming towards me, the one coming out of the side turning, the one with a car load of kids parking alongside me in an otherwise empty car park. That's the appeal of the retro and if it gets a few dents, that's patina.
So much in life today comes down to budgets. When I sold my genuine RS 2.7 in 1994 through Coys Auctions I got £18,500 minus auction fees. That was a fair price as it had RSR bodywork fitted(before backdating became popular) in Canada when being raced in the 80s. It just wasn't practical with a young family, a house move, etc. then it was just an old Porsche that I dare park anywhere.
With all the money in the world, which I don't have, I wouldn't buy an original classic today. I'd be scared of the idiot behind me, the one coming towards me, the one coming out of the side turning, the one with a car load of kids parking alongside me in an otherwise empty car park. That's the appeal of the retro and if it gets a few dents, that's patina.
With all the money in the world, which I don't have, I wouldn't buy an original classic today. I'd be scared of the idiot behind me, the one coming towards me, the one coming out of the side turning, the one with a car load of kids parking alongside me in an otherwise empty car park. That's the appeal of the retro and if it gets a few dents, that's patina.
Hehe, was chewing the cud with the excellent Fulljames this afternoon picking my car up and we got onto the subject of RS Reps and backdating. Now I have an 81SC which we "decided" to backdate. Sell the engine and put a 2.7 in. But then of course, we "decided" to put MFI onto the 3.0 SC engine with S cams or GE40s plus high compression pistons and twin spark!
So possibly a 250bhp car? That's not an RS rep is it? Hoist by my own petard!
Bert
So possibly a 250bhp car? That's not an RS rep is it? Hoist by my own petard!
Bert
After dealing with Bob Watson for many years "God bless the man" , Mr Nick Fulljames is quite frankly the best 911 engine builder in the country in my opinion . What he built fo me in my 3.0 RSR beast is quite something.
We just went to town with no restrictions what so ever and he delivered me something quite evil . Dr. Frankenstein is your man when you want to build a project. It's the most important part of the build . It's got to sing out load and scream on occasion to let the world know your in an air cooled legend . If you have the budget ,what a car to own and you can build it to your own taste.
I have had loads built over the years and had the best fun ever on the road and met some fantastic people with like minds.
Have 3 for sale right now put am already thinking of the next project for this summer.
Reps, hot rods recreations clones or evocations they are here to stay and getting more popular just look at Singer,Magnus Walker, Paul Stephens Autoart. 3 big players to name but a few all re inventing a sports classic that didn't need any outside help but hey just look at there brilliant cars ,all very different ! These cars really do have individual personalities and are just so rewarding .
You need big balls to thrash a £ 500k car around country lanes knowing it's more than a car it's a massive asset and very rare . Build a good rep to rip up the tarmac for a fraction of the price and put a massive smile on your face it's great fun .
We just went to town with no restrictions what so ever and he delivered me something quite evil . Dr. Frankenstein is your man when you want to build a project. It's the most important part of the build . It's got to sing out load and scream on occasion to let the world know your in an air cooled legend . If you have the budget ,what a car to own and you can build it to your own taste.
I have had loads built over the years and had the best fun ever on the road and met some fantastic people with like minds.
Have 3 for sale right now put am already thinking of the next project for this summer.
Reps, hot rods recreations clones or evocations they are here to stay and getting more popular just look at Singer,Magnus Walker, Paul Stephens Autoart. 3 big players to name but a few all re inventing a sports classic that didn't need any outside help but hey just look at there brilliant cars ,all very different ! These cars really do have individual personalities and are just so rewarding .
You need big balls to thrash a £ 500k car around country lanes knowing it's more than a car it's a massive asset and very rare . Build a good rep to rip up the tarmac for a fraction of the price and put a massive smile on your face it's great fun .
What is the accepted norm in the braking dept for these reps to bring them upto acceptable standards? I've seen Boxter calipers used which seems a sensible way forward.
Although I love the looks of the RS and RSR I doubt I would enjoy road driving with a cammy rev happy motor with nil driveablity that many seem to covet. Sometimes less really is more.
Although I love the looks of the RS and RSR I doubt I would enjoy road driving with a cammy rev happy motor with nil driveablity that many seem to covet. Sometimes less really is more.
ras62 said:
What is the accepted norm in the braking dept for these reps to bring them upto acceptable standards? I've seen Boxter calipers used which seems a sensible way forward.
Although I love the looks of the RS and RSR I doubt I would enjoy road driving with a cammy rev happy motor with nil driveablity that many seem to covet. Sometimes less really is more.
I think there is a big difference between RS and RSR and between different specifications. Wide arches snd tyres and big horsepower reps sound great on paper but are often not great on the road as not enough compliance in the suspension and too much tyre is tramlining and lack of adjustability on the road an issue. A 2.7 RS is completely different. Lovely to drive and civilised and comfortable enough.' For road driving the light weight means the engine is powerful enough. No you won't get blown away by the straight line acceleration but it is enough. I had two road trips to Wales and two to Scotland in mine and it was okay on the way there are brilliant when we arrived. Although I love the looks of the RS and RSR I doubt I would enjoy road driving with a cammy rev happy motor with nil driveablity that many seem to covet. Sometimes less really is more.
Personally a 2.7 RS rep should drive like the real thing (more important than looking like it) so it has to be based on an wart car and have an MFI engine. Shouldn't have more than 240 bhp otherwise you are going to need bigger tyres and wheels and thst spoils the feel and look. At least IMO.
Esceptico said:
ras62 said:
What is the accepted norm in the braking dept for these reps to bring them upto acceptable standards? I've seen Boxter calipers used which seems a sensible way forward.
Although I love the looks of the RS and RSR I doubt I would enjoy road driving with a cammy rev happy motor with nil driveablity that many seem to covet. Sometimes less really is more.
I think there is a big difference between RS and RSR and between different specifications. Wide arches snd tyres and big horsepower reps sound great on paper but are often not great on the road as not enough compliance in the suspension and too much tyre is tramlining and lack of adjustability on the road an issue. A 2.7 RS is completely different. Lovely to drive and civilised and comfortable enough.' For road driving the light weight means the engine is powerful enough. No you won't get blown away by the straight line acceleration but it is enough. I had two road trips to Wales and two to Scotland in mine and it was okay on the way there are brilliant when we arrived. Although I love the looks of the RS and RSR I doubt I would enjoy road driving with a cammy rev happy motor with nil driveablity that many seem to covet. Sometimes less really is more.
Personally a 2.7 RS rep should drive like the real thing (more important than looking like it) so it has to be based on an wart car and have an MFI engine. Shouldn't have more than 240 bhp otherwise you are going to need bigger tyres and wheels and thst spoils the feel and look. At least IMO.
Originally a 1970 911e with RSR chassis strengthening, RSR torsion bars and Bilstiens etc.
Engine is a 3.5 single plug unit with motec running just over 300bhp. Front oil cooler and Gearbox pump for cooling.
Car weighs 950ish kg and a hoot to drive.
Having a suspension and brake overhaul in the next couple of weeks and then will be used at every opportunity!!!
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