Buying a car for the Company.
Buying a car for the Company.
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Jasandjules

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72,662 posts

260 months

Saturday 20th February 2016
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Stupid questions really but......

1. Do I just buy it out of the business money and register it to the business?
2. Can I can obtain insurance for this vehicle fairly easily?
3. All servicing/tax etc would be from the company money, is that right?
4. If I have a car that is in the name of the company, I can still use it for anything I like is that correct i.e. I do not have to be on business use for it?

Sorry, these things may be obvious and simple but this is all new to me!

anonymous-user

85 months

Saturday 20th February 2016
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Yes to all of that.

Only thing to watch out for really is that there can be some fairly punitive personal taxation on company cars as a benefit in kind.


Countdown

49,519 posts

227 months

Saturday 20th February 2016
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Basically you are potentially reducing your corporation tax bill but paying more income tax and more employers NI. You might be better off buying privately and then claiming mileage at 45ppm/10ppm

Jasandjules

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72,662 posts

260 months

Saturday 20th February 2016
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Hmm not promising...

anonymous-user

85 months

Saturday 20th February 2016
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Jasandjules said:
Hmm not promising...
Depends - it can still work out.

Electric or low emissions cars work well.
Cheap classics used to but I haven't checked for a while.

Eric Mc

125,823 posts

296 months

Sunday 21st February 2016
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Buying a vehicle classified as a "Commercial Vehicle" rather than a "Motor Car" might be worth considering

Jasandjules

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72,662 posts

260 months

Sunday 21st February 2016
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desolate said:
Cheap classics used to but I haven't checked for a while.
I was actually thinking on an MR2 T-Bar ( a MKII) .....

Not new at all.


dfen5

2,398 posts

243 months

Sunday 21st February 2016
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Eric Mc said:
Buying a vehicle classified as a "Commercial Vehicle" rather than a "Motor Car" might be worth considering
Would this include such things as pickups like the L200? what are the tax implications?

Output Flange

17,053 posts

242 months

Monday 22nd February 2016
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I was pondering this too - I'm considering buying something like a Navara or Hilux (so classed as commercial I assume) and wondered about putting it through my LTD company.

I looked on the HMRC site to get an understanding of tax implications, but it seemed to be biased towards brand new cars - I'd be looking at used (circa £6-7k).

Does the tax calculation take the purchase price, or the original list price? It wasn't clear.

Eric Mc

125,823 posts

296 months

Monday 22nd February 2016
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In regards to the above two queries, you must be 100% sure that the vehicle you are thinking of is specifically accepted by HMRC as a "Commercial Vehicle". There are quite a few types out there that look like they MIGHT be but aren't - and vise versa.

Regarding "tax implications", there are lots of taxes and lots of implications - so you need to be specific about which tax you are asking about. The three main tax areas that you need to consider are -

allowability for Corporation Tax Capital Allowances
how the vehicle is treated for personal tax Benefit in Kind purposes
whether Input VAT can be reclaimed on the purchase cost of the vehicle

Jasandjules

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260 months

Monday 22nd February 2016
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Output Flange said:
Does the tax calculation take the purchase price, or the original list price? It wasn't clear.
The online one I saw asked only for the List Price, which is why it worked out at more tax per year than the value of the car!

anonymous-user

85 months

Monday 22nd February 2016
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Jasandjules said:
The online one I saw asked only for the List Price, which is why it worked out at more tax per year than the value of the car!
This seems like a fairly decent basic explanation:

https://www.mikelewis.co.uk/cars.html


It can work well if you can find a nice 70s car. List prices were low and if the current value is under 15K then it can work out very nicely tax wise.

Jasandjules

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72,662 posts

260 months

Monday 22nd February 2016
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So a 1996 MR2 might be ok....

anonymous-user

85 months

Monday 22nd February 2016
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Jasandjules said:
So a 1996 MR2 might be ok....
Depends what the new list price was as I think that is what your P11D value would be.

You will pay personal tax on a percentage of the new list price, depending on what carbon banding it is given.

I doubt it would be worth it, but I may be wrong.





Jasandjules

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72,662 posts

260 months

Monday 22nd February 2016
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I can't find the sodding list prices for new! I can find US prices....


anonymous-user

85 months

Monday 22nd February 2016
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Jasandjules said:
I can't find the sodding list prices for new! I can find US prices....
According to Parkers the original price was around 22K.

you need to find yourself a 70s/early 80s car with a list price in the hundreds or low thousands.

Car prices where horrific in the 90s

Lefty

21,512 posts

233 months

Monday 22nd February 2016
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The car has to be over 15 years old and be bought for under £15k to qualify for BiK based on its new list price. No spunking £500k of your company's money on 4.5 litre Bentley Blower!

Over £15k purchase price and you pay based on current market value.

frown

Note, you could probably buy a shed for £15k and restore it at company expense - I think.

Jasandjules

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72,662 posts

260 months

Monday 22nd February 2016
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desolate said:
According to Parkers the original price was around 22K.

you need to find yourself a 70s/early 80s car with a list price in the hundreds or low thousands.

Car prices where horrific in the 90s
Yes, even a MK1 has a P11D of 15k it seems from Parkers.

Can't really think of another car I might want annoyingly enough....

Lefty

21,512 posts

233 months

Monday 22nd February 2016
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E-type 2+2
Citroen DS
MGB
TVR Vixen/M
Esprit
Elan
Any number of 'merkin muscle cars

??

anonymous-user

85 months

Monday 22nd February 2016
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Jasandjules said:
Yes, even a MK1 has a P11D of 15k it seems from Parkers.

Can't really think of another car I might want annoyingly enough....
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C700887
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C694563


There must be loads out there!! play the tax game correctly and it will be almost free.
I say almost, that's just how my calculator works.
I am off to ring my accountant anyway.