Who Funds Pawn?
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uber

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860 posts

200 months

Sunday 21st February 2016
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Was watching the catchup off that posh pawn. The chap seems to have opened a few stores and build a pretty big business in a couple of years. The question is, if he's sticking out hundreds of thousands on long term loans who funds it all? It cant all be cash flow can it?

fridaypassion

11,458 posts

258 months

Sunday 21st February 2016
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Probably a mix of private funding, banks and personal cash. My busines works in the same way. Well without the banks because they are pants. When you think about it the returns for a private investor could be really good. You just have to trust the guy not to leg it with the lot.

POORCARDEALER

8,668 posts

271 months

Sunday 21st February 2016
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I was in the business had a few shops which I sold around 2000.

We were self funded, started with some stock and not a great deal of cash..never needed to borrow anything, the returns on the loans funded growth, very profitable, but the market wasnt as crowded then as it is now.

Mr Overheads

2,635 posts

206 months

Monday 22nd February 2016
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What amazes me with Posh Pawn is the low values people will sell stuff for, and you never find out an items true value, just the items value that the end customer gets (when he buys the asset not when loaning against it). Why would you SELL to a pawnbroker at a ridiculously low value?

3200gt

2,727 posts

254 months

Monday 22nd February 2016
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damn it, it wasn't a typo.biggrin

spikeyhead

20,568 posts

227 months

Monday 22nd February 2016
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Mr Overheads said:
What amazes me with Posh Pawn is the low values people will sell stuff for, and you never find out an items true value, just the items value that the end customer gets (when he buys the asset not when loaning against it). Why would you SELL to a pawnbroker at a ridiculously low value?
In an illiquid market, if you need to sell something quickly the price will be low. They are also paying out the cash immediately.

ctrph

155 posts

155 months

Monday 22nd February 2016
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Mr Overheads said:
What amazes me with Posh Pawn is the low values people will sell stuff for, and you never find out an items true value, just the items value that the end customer gets (when he buys the asset not when loaning against it). Why would you SELL to a pawnbroker at a ridiculously low value?
Because you get the money quickly, without all the hassle of trying to sell it yourself. Most of the prices are not ridiculously low, they are trade prices and they then sell it on either at market value through their own shops or send it to auction.

Prestige Pawn have got an online shop, if you wanted to see how much they advertise some of their items for.

ctrph

155 posts

155 months

Monday 22nd February 2016
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uber said:
Was watching the catchup off that posh pawn. The chap seems to have opened a few stores and build a pretty big business in a couple of years. The question is, if he's sticking out hundreds of thousands on long term loans who funds it all? It cant all be cash flow can it?
I think he sold his property development company to initially fund it but he did say at the end of one of the series that he was talking to his investors about expansion etc

AyBee

11,347 posts

232 months

Monday 22nd February 2016
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What amazes me is how sure he is that he can sell it before he makes an offer - a lot of the time he just acts like a middle-man. Very low risk business IMO.

fridaypassion

11,458 posts

258 months

Monday 22nd February 2016
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My understanding is that you could sell for example an orange Elise to a pawnbroker for 15k and have the cash but you also have the option to buy it back within a set time frame. If you like your car/handbag/submarine or whatever when your cashflow eases you can buy it back (for a fee) or if you walk away thats when the pawnbroker gets the item for the "buy" price. This aspect of pawnbroking isnt really stressed too much on that show its more like a posh Arfur Dailey buying and selling stuff.

Like the guy with the Porsche the other week anyone with half a brain would just ring a Porsche specialist up with a car like that. Pawnbroking would only be an option if you wanted to have access to buy it back again at some agreed point.

uber

Original Poster:

860 posts

200 months

Monday 22nd February 2016
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The accounts show him as the only director and shareholder, I wonder if some of the mega high ticket items are "pre purchased" by specialised dealers who fund the loan in return for getting the car at cost + premium or if returned a % of the interest collected. He seemed to have a shed full of supercars which unless on short loans would quickly eat inot cas reserves .

smashie

685 posts

181 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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He has had successful businesses in the past and the proceeds from the sale of those has been put into this business. He does also have investors. On another note, he's a top bloke. Ok I may be biased on this one as I am related to him.

jonamv8

3,296 posts

196 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2016
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smashie said:
He has had successful businesses in the past and the proceeds from the sale of those has been put into this business. He does also have investors. On another note, he's a top bloke. Ok I may be biased on this one as I am related to him.
comes across as a good bloke. I'd have a beer with him or do business with him.

twoblacklines

1,575 posts

191 months

Monday 17th October 2016
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Been in cash convertors 12 years or so ago when I was broke and had nothing better to do, seen people take £30 for a tv worth £600 for example, desperate people will take it, CC then sell it for £550 the same day...you wonder why they make so much money?