motorbike accidents
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Streetcop

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5,907 posts

268 months

Monday 21st February 2005
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Nearly 30,000 casualties each year, from 2 wheeled collisions on the UK's roads.

April 2nd/3rd is Bikesafe 2005.

tycho

12,276 posts

303 months

Monday 21st February 2005
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Do I need to ask how the rider is?

I have sent about 10 emails and calls to TVP bikesafe and haven't heard anything back yet, but plan on going on a Bikesafe day.

You guys deserve a medal for having to deal with scenes like this and having to let next of kin know what has happened to their loved ones. Something I could never do.

Respect.

Streetcop

Original Poster:

5,907 posts

268 months

Monday 21st February 2005
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tycho said:
Do I need to ask how the rider is?

I have sent about 10 emails and calls to TVP bikesafe and haven't heard anything back yet, but plan on going on a Bikesafe day.

You guys deserve a medal for having to deal with scenes like this and having to let next of kin know what has happened to their loved ones. Something I could never do.

Respect.


your words are appreciated...

I had to deliver numerous 'death warnings' when I was a beat bobby. However, as a traffic cop, the number is obviously much higher..and doesn't really get any easier to tell the truth.

As for the picture I posted:Aprilla 900 travelling at speed through left hand bend on a motorway slip road collides with barrier to his offside. Rider killed.

tycho

12,276 posts

303 months

Monday 21st February 2005
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Streetcop said:


your words are appreciated...

I had to deliver numerous 'death warnings' when I was a beat bobby. However, as a traffic cop, the number is obviously much higher..and doesn't really get any easier to tell the truth.

As for the picture I posted:Aprilla 900 travelling at speed through left hand bend on a motorway slip road collides with barrier to his offside. Rider killed.


Doesn't get easier, but I guess you can hide it better?

I have a few mates who have given up riding on the road as they were getting faster and faster in order to get the same "rush", they both race now and have crashed but on track but didn't do too much damage to themselves. I dread to think what could have happened to them if they carried on getting faster and faster.

munter

31,331 posts

271 months

Monday 21st February 2005
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I dont ride a Motorbike having been knocked off to many push bikes. But why do motorcyclists insist on sitting in my blind spot? In the last few weeks i've almost had 3 off their bikes.... And this morning one had to swerve around the back of my car and squeeze between my car and the one beside me as I stopped at a red light.

I dont want to hurt you, and i'm looking for you, but if you hide one of these day i'll not see you!

Streetcop

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5,907 posts

268 months

Monday 21st February 2005
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tycho said:

I have a few mates who have given up riding


Me too....much publised on here..despite protests from the likes of Bladey...

I sold my beloved CBR1100XX a few months ago...
First time without 2 wheels for several years...

Attended too many serious and fatal bike collisions...the lucky ones limping forever with missing spleens etc..

Decided to get out while I was still in one piece....

Don't get me wrong..there are dangers in everything that's enjoyable in life...but the safety of my Volvo S60 patrol car, with traction control, ABS, side impact bars, 6 x airbags etc...is very welcome..

As for out of work....no thrills on the road anymore...just wait for workday stuff..

Mad Dave

7,158 posts

293 months

Monday 21st February 2005
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I was booked on a BikeSafe course last October - sadly I was knocked off in late September and my bike was written off so I couldn't attend. When the bike is fixed I'll get myself along to one of the days.

Mad Dave

7,158 posts

293 months

Monday 21st February 2005
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I was booked on a BikeSafe course last October - sadly I was knocked off in late September and my bike was written off so I couldn't attend. When the bike is fixed I'll get myself along to one of the days.

tycho

12,276 posts

303 months

Monday 21st February 2005
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The good thing I've heard about bikesafe courses is that you can ride like normal (as long as you aren't taking the pi$$ too much) with the BiB behind you. Most courses like the IAM enforce the keep to the speed limit line which forces you to modify your riding and doesn't give the observer a true view of your riding and cannot give you valid pointers which you need to work on.

The day I think I know it all is the day I give it up. The best way to become better is to know that you know nothing.

DennisTheMenace

15,605 posts

298 months

Monday 21st February 2005
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What do they think of flip plates

tycho

12,276 posts

303 months

Monday 21st February 2005
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DennisTheMenace said:
What do they think of flip plates


I've heard that they think flip plates are great and they actually give you special marks on your license to let you know how much they like you.

I also believe that taking it though the gears when on the back wheel is seen as a great display of machine control and should be done regularly to keep the skill.

Streetcop

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5,907 posts

268 months

Monday 21st February 2005
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Flip plates that are in the down position..(ie: displaying VRM)...no problem...

Problem only occurs when the plate is flipped up...

CPS advice 2004..

Mad Dave

7,158 posts

293 months

Monday 21st February 2005
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Streetcop said:
Flip plates that are in the down position..(ie: displaying VRM)...no problem...

Problem only occurs when the plate is flipped up...

CPS advice 2004..


Excellent! I've been tempted to buy one in the past but always worried about getting pulled for it.

gtr-gaz

5,281 posts

276 months

Monday 21st February 2005
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munter said:
I dont ride a Motorbike having been knocked off to many push bikes. But why do motorcyclists insist on sitting in my blind spot? In the last few weeks i've almost had 3 off their bikes.... And this morning one had to swerve around the back of my car and squeeze between my car and the one beside me as I stopped at a red light.

I dont want to hurt you, and i'm looking for you, but if you hide one of these day i'll not see you!


I second that.

I hate to say this, but some bikers appear to have a death wish.

Streetcop

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5,907 posts

268 months

Monday 21st February 2005
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or a lack of advanced training....

Pies

13,116 posts

286 months

Monday 21st February 2005
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About 20 years ago,i was out on the nice country roads with my best mate Barry.Him on his bike me on mine.We were taking it in turns to lead I turned into one corner after Barry and barely stopped before hitting the tractor in front.Barry alas did not,and the scene of Barry in bits stopped me riding a bike again.

Take care all,you might be the greatest on the bike but you're so vulnerable to others mistakes

RIP Barry

tycho

12,276 posts

303 months

Tuesday 22nd February 2005
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gtr-gaz said:

munter said:
I dont ride a Motorbike having been knocked off to many push bikes. But why do motorcyclists insist on sitting in my blind spot? In the last few weeks i've almost had 3 off their bikes.... And this morning one had to swerve around the back of my car and squeeze between my car and the one beside me as I stopped at a red light.

I dont want to hurt you, and i'm looking for you, but if you hide one of these day i'll not see you!



I second that.

I hate to say this, but some bikers appear to have a death wish.


some of my mates do! Luckily they have decided to take to the track and get their thrills there rather than on the road.

Streetcop

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5,907 posts

268 months

Tuesday 22nd February 2005
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The lack of defensive riding is a big problem that I see..too many bikers don't ease off at junctions or change position to maximise their view and the view of other motorists. The oncoming car driver often 'looks through' the biker into the distance or forcuses on a vehicle behind the biker, thus failing to see the biker and pulling across his/her path.

The old favourite below, is a good example.



Another simple one to avoid, but many don't; is the overtaking on the approach to a junction. The driver who emerges from the offside junction, to turn left, will generally only look to their right. In addition, the car often comes out wide, almost to the white lines, depending on the width of the road, thus creating this scenario;



>> Edited by Streetcop on Tuesday 22 February 10:52

jjr1

3,041 posts

290 months

Tuesday 22nd February 2005
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As for the picture I posted:Aprilla 900 travelling at speed through left hand bend on a motorway slip road collides with barrier to his offside. Rider killed.[/quote]

Was there no other vehicle involved? That corner looks fairly innocuous and I would imagine to lose control on that without any other help would require mental speed or a fault with the bike.

Streetcop

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5,907 posts

268 months

Tuesday 22nd February 2005
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jjr1 said:
Streetcop said:

As for the picture I posted:Aprilla 900 travelling at speed through left hand bend on a motorway slip road collides with barrier to his offside. Rider killed.


Was there no other vehicle involved? That corner looks fairly innocuous and I would imagine to lose control on that without any other help would require mental speed or a fault with the bike.


or perhaps a bit too much throttle with loose road surface, or perhaps misjudging the severety of the bend and 'sitting the bike up/braking' or perhaps too much throttle moving from lanes 1 and 2 and touching the white lines??????????????????????