lord archer et al
Discussion
On the news last night Archer gets day release after having served 1 out of 4 of his years. He works all day in a theatre and is entitled to £60 a week to do this!?
This apparently is usual with prisoners so we not only pay all their accomodation, food etc, their morgage on their house and now we even give them a wage and a job they enjoy doing????
FFS - why bother going down the job centre just get nicked instead?!!
This apparently is usual with prisoners so we not only pay all their accomodation, food etc, their morgage on their house and now we even give them a wage and a job they enjoy doing???? FFS - why bother going down the job centre just get nicked instead?!!
don't be so reactionary
This is a good scheme which for most prisoners will help them have some money when they are released, some experience of working and prevent reoffending.
We have to do something with these people - since as you point out it is expensive to keep them in jail...
Archer is no exception - I am pleased he doing something useful - working with children with learning difficulties will be one of his tasks ....
Now I think the man is clearly a bit oily - but ... not as if he guilty of a SERIOUS crime - ie rape murder assault etc
a little more tolerence
This is a good scheme which for most prisoners will help them have some money when they are released, some experience of working and prevent reoffending.
We have to do something with these people - since as you point out it is expensive to keep them in jail...
Archer is no exception - I am pleased he doing something useful - working with children with learning difficulties will be one of his tasks ....
Now I think the man is clearly a bit oily - but ... not as if he guilty of a SERIOUS crime - ie rape murder assault etc
a little more tolerence
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don't be so reactionary
This is a good scheme which for most prisoners will help them have some money when they are released, some experience of working and prevent reoffending.
We have to do something with these people - since as you point out it is expensive to keep them in jail...
Archer is no exception - I am pleased he doing something useful - working with children with learning difficulties will be one of his tasks ....
Now I think the man is clearly a bit oily - but ... not as if he guilty of a SERIOUS crime - ie rape murder assault etc
a little more tolerence
agree u shouldnt just lock them up and thats it but why on earth am I paying criminals a wage when theres people on the streets starving without houses??????
What a load of crap.
Why the hell should Archer be given this job, when there are honest, law abiding citizens out there looking for jobs?
Maybe give the lying git something to do (preferabley something menial where he has to get his hands dirty - like a farm hand), but don't pay the
FFS, I thought prison was supposed to be a punishment... seems to me that the decent man who needs a job is the one being punished.
Why the hell should Archer be given this job, when there are honest, law abiding citizens out there looking for jobs?
Maybe give the lying git something to do (preferabley something menial where he has to get his hands dirty - like a farm hand), but don't pay the
FFS, I thought prison was supposed to be a punishment... seems to me that the decent man who needs a job is the one being punished.
According to the news this morning, Archer won't be taking the £60 a week he's entitled to.... not like he needs it. Didn't he just sign a new three book deal for half a million.
I personally would rather we punished criminals. However that doesn't seem to be the political choice, so at least lets rehabilitate and try and prevent reoffending that way. The situation we have at the moment seems to be no detterent and no real rehabillitation.
I personally would rather we punished criminals. However that doesn't seem to be the political choice, so at least lets rehabilitate and try and prevent reoffending that way. The situation we have at the moment seems to be no detterent and no real rehabillitation.
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According to the news this morning, Archer won't be taking the £60 a week he's entitled to.... not like he needs it. Didn't he just sign a new three book deal for half a million.
I personally would rather we punished criminals. However that doesn't seem to be the political choice, so at least lets rehabilitate and try and prevent reoffending that way. The situation we have at the moment seems to be no detterent and no real rehabillitation.
You mean like the bloke that broke into my parents house... did 6 months, went on a "rehab" programme working for a double glazing company... and then came back 18 months later? (got in even easier second time around)
I kid you not.
At least he got 12 months the second time..
- he'd still managed to forget about the CCTV... 
Afaik - the company taking on the criminal pays for the persons wages - not the taxpayer. in fact it is a revenue earner for the prisons systems
whilst I agree there are many other useful jobs that could be done in society - you guys read too many right wing papers - Our local church yard is maintained by offenders - the grasss is cut - weeded litter collected etc by the young offenders institute in feltham
prison is about punishment - but it must also be about education and providing an opportunity.
If people leave jail go straight ad get a job - thats a real benefit to society. How many of the companies you work in would employ an ex con ?
really ... thought so !
whilst I agree there are many other useful jobs that could be done in society - you guys read too many right wing papers - Our local church yard is maintained by offenders - the grasss is cut - weeded litter collected etc by the young offenders institute in feltham
prison is about punishment - but it must also be about education and providing an opportunity.
If people leave jail go straight ad get a job - thats a real benefit to society. How many of the companies you work in would employ an ex con ?
really ... thought so !
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Why the hell should Archer be given this job, when there are honest, law abiding citizens out there looking for jobs?
Well I'm not a fan of his writing but how many of those Citizens could provide the theatre with the sort of literary and theatrical experience that Archer can?
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don't be so reactionary
This is a good scheme which for most prisoners will help them have some money when they are released, some experience of working and prevent reoffending.
We have to do something with these people - since as you point out it is expensive to keep them in jail...
Archer is no exception - I am pleased he doing something useful - working with children with learning difficulties will be one of his tasks ....
Now I think the man is clearly a bit oily - but ... not as if he guilty of a SERIOUS crime - ie rape murder assault etc
a little more tolerence
While I agree it is a good scheme in many cases, your point about him not commiting a serious crime is a bit off beam IMO. Unlike the majority of criminals this guy is not someone with a low IQ from a opportunity free zone with a history of being mistreated. Or a psychotic epileptic who thinks he is the Queen on Wednesday and can fly on Thursday.
He was part of the establishments elite FFS. That means not only did he know the law, he helped to create it. He also made a calculated rational decision to deliberately break it for financial gain. When found out he brassed it out to the bitter end believing himself to be above the law. In doing so he declares himself better than the rest of us. It is completely ludicrous that a guy got seven years for falling asleep at the wheel and Archer serves less than 1 year and gets a jollie. As for payment, we should sequestrate his assets in order ot pay for his prison term. This corrupt judicial system is ruining the lives of innocent motorists while allowing scum like Archer to profit from his criminal activities. We need to have a system which puts the poorly heads in a safe place, rehabilitates the petty criminal and punishes the indisputably guilty of which Archer is certainly one. He should be let out 7 days a week 12 hours a day to build new roads and every time he flaggs someone should kick his arse.
falling asleep at the wheel
... and killing seven people
Innocent motorist....
Who didn't sleep for 48 hours prior to getting in a car ..
Please .. let's have some balance
Archer slept with a prostitute and lied about it, yes he committed perjury, yes he lied, yes he won damages unfairly. but nobody died.
and he got four years. not one - four.
... and killing seven people
Innocent motorist....
Who didn't sleep for 48 hours prior to getting in a car ..
Please .. let's have some balance
Archer slept with a prostitute and lied about it, yes he committed perjury, yes he lied, yes he won damages unfairly. but nobody died.
and he got four years. not one - four.
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