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There is a thread in Readers Cars about a 1000bhp build. The arguments over feasibility can stay there!
A book by Heywood is recommended there about internal combustion engine fundamentals, and if it wasn't north of £50, I'd quite fancy a read. Is or are there alternatives you can recommend that cover a reasonable amount of the same subject matter? A green covered paperback of the same seems to exist which is £17.89, or "closer to what I'd like to spend" as I call it. Would that be a good start? Consider me capable of understanding engineering and maths terms, I don't need a complete Dummies Guide (unless there's a good one of course!) this is mainly for interest, but could be used for work (ie in the automotive field).
Where would you start?
ETA: If where you would start would be a reading list for an automotive engineering degree, that would be fine if you could link to or post one!
A book by Heywood is recommended there about internal combustion engine fundamentals, and if it wasn't north of £50, I'd quite fancy a read. Is or are there alternatives you can recommend that cover a reasonable amount of the same subject matter? A green covered paperback of the same seems to exist which is £17.89, or "closer to what I'd like to spend" as I call it. Would that be a good start? Consider me capable of understanding engineering and maths terms, I don't need a complete Dummies Guide (unless there's a good one of course!) this is mainly for interest, but could be used for work (ie in the automotive field).
Where would you start?
ETA: If where you would start would be a reading list for an automotive engineering degree, that would be fine if you could link to or post one!
Edited by Croutons on Saturday 27th February 23:02
Just search Amazon, there are loads of books out there.
And as said, that big yellow book....is wayyy too in depth and more for university types actually doing research etc
I could easily build a 2000hp engine before I'd understand half of that book lol plus it's near 2" thick ! 930 feckin pages ( including indexes etc )
On a simpler level, this is a great book, but unfortunately out of print. A lot of his articles are on Autospeed though, but the book puts them all together along with more.
http://www.autospeed.com.au/
http://www.amazon.co.uk/21st-Century-Performance-J...
And as said, that big yellow book....is wayyy too in depth and more for university types actually doing research etc
I could easily build a 2000hp engine before I'd understand half of that book lol plus it's near 2" thick ! 930 feckin pages ( including indexes etc )
On a simpler level, this is a great book, but unfortunately out of print. A lot of his articles are on Autospeed though, but the book puts them all together along with more.
http://www.autospeed.com.au/
http://www.amazon.co.uk/21st-Century-Performance-J...
Croutons said:
227bhp said:
You think 50 odd quid is a lot to pay for a book that educates you? Jesus, that's cheap.
For nothing other than personal interest, yes, when I can find 99% of it on the internet! I'm a lawyer, and can really complain about pricey books, but they get a return!
Your post is very confusing;
Croutons said:
A book by Heywood is recommended there about internal combustion engine fundamentals, and if it wasn't north of £50, I'd quite fancy a read. Is or are there alternatives you can recommend that cover a reasonable amount of the same subject matter? A green covered paperback of the same seems to exist which is £17.89, or "closer to what I'd like to spend" as I call it. Would that be a good start? Consider me capable of understanding engineering and maths terms, I don't need a complete Dummies Guide (unless there's a good one of course!) this is mainly for interest, but could be used for work (ie in the automotive field).
Where would you start?
ETA: If where you would start would be a reading list for an automotive engineering degree
If you want good knowledge (maybe you're involved in the VW case Where would you start?
ETA: If where you would start would be a reading list for an automotive engineering degree
) and cheap then forget it. What you will find (probably like law) is that the whole subject is divided into sections and you need to buy the relevant book on: Building an engine, engine design, NA specifics, turbocharging, understanding airflow, metallurgy etc.If it is just to get you started then this might do:
Edited by 227bhp on Monday 29th February 20:50
Colin Campbell ; The sports car engine, its tuning and modification is a good read 1963 but gives a good introduction to most aspects of tuning. Olde Worlde engines but most of it still obtains today. Have seen it around £18 inc del
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3hXyBwAAQBAJ&a...
A Graham Bell Four stroke performance tuning, various editions all good and get more contemporary with advancing editions so all worth having. Again £18 ish.
Both authors will feed your appetite for more depth of knowledge whilst giving plenty of info to get your teeth into.
Peter
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=3hXyBwAAQBAJ&a...
A Graham Bell Four stroke performance tuning, various editions all good and get more contemporary with advancing editions so all worth having. Again £18 ish.
Both authors will feed your appetite for more depth of knowledge whilst giving plenty of info to get your teeth into.
Peter
No point in getting too technical books, unless those are really what is needed.
As 227 says, sort of need to know where you're at, what you're seeking to do or learn and what building, tuning etc etc ?
The internet does contain lots of good info....it also contains even more crap, so filtering it out is difficult.
That isnt to say a lot of books arent crap either, but you'd hope most books have at least some foundation and their info should have some decent value.
But it's a lot easier to learn if the book is relevant to what you're actually looking to use it for, ie your own car, engine, application etc etc
As 227 says, sort of need to know where you're at, what you're seeking to do or learn and what building, tuning etc etc ?
The internet does contain lots of good info....it also contains even more crap, so filtering it out is difficult.
That isnt to say a lot of books arent crap either, but you'd hope most books have at least some foundation and their info should have some decent value.
But it's a lot easier to learn if the book is relevant to what you're actually looking to use it for, ie your own car, engine, application etc etc
When my sister was studying at Cambridge Uni I got to meet some clever folk at the parties. One lass was doing a doctorate and studying chemistry and to be specific some single attribute of the element Germanium. She explained to me the higher we get in our studies we learn more and more about less and less till we focus on just one tiny aspect of a thing. However, one needed the building blocks in place to reach that state. So my thoughts would be to start with the wider picture then narrow it in time re tuning books. It is always worth revisiting that wider picture incase we see something new or remember something we have forgotten.
I spent years flowing MGB heads then moved around the engine, back to the head two years ago to play with flow swapping in the siamesed section of the port and the specific time (rpm) when the swap was occuring and found the siamesed section had different effects at different rpms, the higher the revs the nearer the port split was altering flow and bhp (couldn't measure this on the flowbench). I am now working with Piper revisiting cam profiles with what we have learned in the ports. Back to the wider picture and not concentrate on just one thing. Three years to find three bhp more than we have seen before
Peter
I spent years flowing MGB heads then moved around the engine, back to the head two years ago to play with flow swapping in the siamesed section of the port and the specific time (rpm) when the swap was occuring and found the siamesed section had different effects at different rpms, the higher the revs the nearer the port split was altering flow and bhp (couldn't measure this on the flowbench). I am now working with Piper revisiting cam profiles with what we have learned in the ports. Back to the wider picture and not concentrate on just one thing. Three years to find three bhp more than we have seen before
Peter
PeterBurgess said:
When my sister was studying at Cambridge Uni I got to meet some clever folk at the parties. One lass was doing a doctorate and studying chemistry and to be specific some single attribute of the element Germanium. She explained to me the higher we get in our studies we learn more and more about less and less till we focus on just one tiny aspect of a thing. However, one needed the building blocks in place to reach that state. So my thoughts would be to start with the wider picture then narrow it in time re tuning books. It is always worth revisiting that wider picture incase we see something new or remember something we have forgotten.
I spent years flowing MGB heads then moved around the engine, back to the head two years ago to play with flow swapping in the siamesed section of the port and the specific time (rpm) when the swap was occuring and found the siamesed section had different effects at different rpms, the higher the revs the nearer the port split was altering flow and bhp (couldn't measure this on the flowbench). I am now working with Piper revisiting cam profiles with what we have learned in the ports. Back to the wider picture and not concentrate on just one thing. Three years to find three bhp more than we have seen before
Peter
That's a very good post.I spent years flowing MGB heads then moved around the engine, back to the head two years ago to play with flow swapping in the siamesed section of the port and the specific time (rpm) when the swap was occuring and found the siamesed section had different effects at different rpms, the higher the revs the nearer the port split was altering flow and bhp (couldn't measure this on the flowbench). I am now working with Piper revisiting cam profiles with what we have learned in the ports. Back to the wider picture and not concentrate on just one thing. Three years to find three bhp more than we have seen before
Peter
227bhp said:
Your post is very confusing;
Sorry, that's perhaps because the book in that thread is more specialised than I thought.227bhp said:
If it is just to get you started then this might do:
LOL! You might be right !Edited by 227bhp on Monday 29th February 20:50
tumble dryer said:
That's a very good post.
Indeed, and gives me more to think about. Perhaps I'll find a local library and see if there are some noddy books first, before I start to delve into the specifics. You could start by working your way through my web page.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110902010921/http://...
Most aspects of basic engine theory are covered in there.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110902010921/http://...
Most aspects of basic engine theory are covered in there.
Here is a great thread detailing a 1000+bhp 470ci ROX (LS style Chevrolet engine):
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t...
http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t...
Pumaracing said:
You could start by working your way through my web page.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110902010921/http://...
Most aspects of basic engine theory are covered in there.
Awesome, thanks very much, you've got heaps on there!https://web.archive.org/web/20110902010921/http://...
Most aspects of basic engine theory are covered in there.
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