OMG - what is next? The clutch has gone now.
OMG - what is next? The clutch has gone now.
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Wolvesboy

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597 posts

163 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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Ok,
I posted not 10 minutes ago verifying the previous misfire now sorted. Before I started the engine I primed the gear stick through the gears, especially in 5th before going into reverse.
Started her up and went to put her in gear - nothing! Bloody hell, I now cannot access any of the gears as the clutch is not working.
Removed mats and no fluid in drivers footwell or above by the pedals.
However, clutch fluid reservoir is way down and no fluid anywhere apart from some remnants in the base. Checked under car and nothing. Come to think of it the gears seemed a little "grabby" last time I drove her.

Any ideas anyone?

sunbeam alpine

7,218 posts

210 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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Slave cylinder? (isn't it inside the bell housing on a Cerb?)

Caveat - my only experience is helping a fellow PH'er who broke down on a road trip - and this was back in 2010.

ukkid35

6,380 posts

195 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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That is unfortunate - But not entirely surprising.

I would imagine that some cars are put up for sale when the level of deferred maintenance makes the owner give up. When the slave seals start to leak, you can can get another week or two out of the car before the refills simply become too frequent.

Assuming you can work inside then it is not an impossible job, but I really don't like taking the gearbox off at all, not least because I have to rely on very generous friends to help. Nevertheless I had to do so twice last year.

Start by refilling the slave reservoir and seeing how long that lasts. If the sealant around the coverplate is fresh then you can pretty much assume the worst.

esso

1,849 posts

239 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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Top the master cylinder up and bleed the clutch 1st of all. If the clutch does not bleed then the seals have failed in the master cylinder and you need to fit a new one...about £70. This is the cheapest and easiest thing to do 1st. If this doesn`t fix it then your into slave cylinder/gearbox/bellhousing removal which gets expensive and time consuming.

ukkid35

6,380 posts

195 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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This is probably what your clutch slave seals look like



This is the bellhousing refitted after fitting a new RaceProved Slave. Not cheap, but since I'd already tried changing the seals with limited success, I forked out for the RP Slave.



You might have already seen CerbWill and Aide's alternative solution - Tilton Slave, but fortunately my RP has now lasted nearly four years, so I'm quietly confident.

Wolvesboy

Original Poster:

597 posts

163 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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Thanks again for the quick replies. I feel like I'm on these forums all the time - I used to enjoy and learn from reading other people's experiences, now I'm the OP! This car is so fragile, "chocolate teapot" comes to mind.
I will refill the slave cylinder and see what happens. I'm interested in where the clutch fluid is going as there appears to be no leaks under the car. I have not got right underneath it but have looked underneath on a regular basis.
I'm presuming the seals will have gone somewhere.

Supateg

797 posts

164 months

Monday 29th February 2016
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ukkid35 said:
That is unfortunate - But not entirely surprising.

I would imagine that some cars are put up for sale when the level of deferred maintenance makes the owner give up. When the slave seals start to leak, you can can get another week or two out of the car before the refills simply become too frequent.

Assuming you can work inside then it is not an impossible job, but I really don't like taking the gearbox off at all, not least because I have to rely on very generous friends to help. Nevertheless I had to do so twice last year.

Start by refilling the slave reservoir and seeing how long that lasts. If the sealant around the coverplate is fresh then you can pretty much assume the worst.
Paul hits the nail on the head!

Most of us have been in the same position as you, If maintained the Cerb is great, if left to fester a real pain.
If you do the work yourself then it won't dent you pocket too much.

The dust and crap in the bell housing can soak up quite a bit of fluid, there is a drain hole in the bottom of the casting which gets blocked (about 3mm)
The braided slave pipes have been known to fail.
Slave is weak, a couple of options out there (I have RP slave)
Master cylinder goes, leaks in side cabin
Clutch fingers snap, updated items available.

Not the end of the world with helpful people on here to advise you.

Jhonno

6,430 posts

163 months

Tuesday 1st March 2016
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I didn't find it a big deal taking the box off on my Tod to be fair. Maybe I was just lucky!

Wolvesboy

Original Poster:

597 posts

163 months

Tuesday 1st March 2016
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Thanks fellas
The support on this forum is amazing. I log in, read all about it, and then cannot wait to get stuck in again! The Mrs is def coming off second best!

I will fill with clutch fluid, bleed and see what happens. Still looking for the tell tale leaks anywhere as the fluid is mysteriously disappearing!

esso

1,849 posts

239 months

Tuesday 1st March 2016
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If fluid is disappearing check the drivers side carpet/footwell, if that's wet the master cylinder seals have failed, if not then check under the car/bellhousing, that will be the slave seals.

Byker28i

83,482 posts

239 months

Wednesday 2nd March 2016
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And stick with it - be positive. They are brilliant cars and actually need very little tlc when sorted. You just need to keep on top of the little things.

Or maybe I've been lucky, although I have just replaced my clutch as the original failed after 50+K miles and 18 years...

Wolvesboy

Original Poster:

597 posts

163 months

Friday 4th March 2016
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Filled up and bled the empty clutch fluid reservoir. The cap seal in the engine bay did not seem new so i don't think it is a "top up" job by the previous owner. Now works perfectly! Still no sign of fluid on floor or in footwell. So will keep on driving pretty locally just in case but all seems well!
Cheers.