Tuesday 20th August 2002
Wide Boys
Why aren't we widening the UK's road network?
Discussion
I don't see much point in widening motorways. In fact, they could be narrowed to 2 lanes, and very few people would notice.
The other day, I was driving along one of the 4 lane wide sections of the M25. The traffic was moving at about 60mph, and everybody was in lanes 3 and 4.
I was in lane 1, and quite happily breezed past all of the numpties in their traffic jam
James
The other day, I was driving along one of the 4 lane wide sections of the M25. The traffic was moving at about 60mph, and everybody was in lanes 3 and 4.
I was in lane 1, and quite happily breezed past all of the numpties in their traffic jam
James
quite - I've given up using the M1 in the morning as its just a procession down the fast lane as no-one will pull over. Makes my blood boil in the morning esp when you see vans etc in the fast lane. I never used to undertake until recently. More money should be spent educating drivers + all vans, fiat multipla's etc should be banned from the fast lane then we'd all get there quicker and safer.
I agree, its totally pointless widening motorways. Millions were spent widening the M25 from three lanes to four, and now almost everyone totally ignores lane one and just uses the three remaining ones.
I also often just drive down the inside. It would be more dangerous not to if you are trying to make decent progress.
I also often just drive down the inside. It would be more dangerous not to if you are trying to make decent progress.
Obviously we need more lanes, having already paid for them (£41 billion last year in motoring taxes)
More importantly we should have undertaking. If it were widely used there would be no need for everyone not in a lorry to sit in the outside lane. It would effectively reduce traffic jams, but this is not on the governments agenda!!!
DAZ
More importantly we should have undertaking. If it were widely used there would be no need for everyone not in a lorry to sit in the outside lane. It would effectively reduce traffic jams, but this is not on the governments agenda!!!
DAZ
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I agree, its totally pointless widening motorways. Millions were spent widening the M25 from three lanes to four, and now almost everyone totally ignores lane one and just uses the three remaining ones.
I also often just drive down the inside. It would be more dangerous not to if you are trying to make decent progress.
So what you're saying is that you use the empty lane and make progress. Although it's not the way it was intended, it's serving its purpose though isn't it?
In respect of Dazren's post, you are allowed to undertake and there is no law against it. However, a lot of the time the police may consider that it constitutes dnagerous/careless/reckless driving and will pull you for it. If you can then show that it was reasonable under the circumstances you shouldn't have a problem with it.
This may be something more suited to comments from the resident constabulary than me though.
This may be something more suited to comments from the resident constabulary than me though.
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In respect of Dazren's post, you are allowed to undertake and there is no law against it. However, a lot of the time the police may consider that it constitutes dnagerous/careless/reckless driving and will pull you for it. If you can then show that it was reasonable under the circumstances you shouldn't have a problem with it.
This may be something more suited to comments from the resident constabulary than me though.
So as long as I'm doing less than the posted speed limit when undertaking, I can politely request the BiBs to pick on the person I've undertaken as clearly he/she's in the wrong lane? Anyone got any idea where in the RTA I can find details of this to argue the toss on the side of the road?
DAZ
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In respect of Dazren's post, you are allowed to undertake and there is no law against it.
Um - no. From the highway code:
Do not overtake on the left or move to a lane on your left to overtake. In congested conditions, where adjacent lanes of traffic are moving at similar speeds, traffic in left-hand lanes may sometimes be moving faster than traffic to the right. In these conditions you may keep up with the traffic in your lane even if this means passing traffic in the lane to your right. Do not weave in and out of lanes to overtake.
www.roads.dft.gov.uk/roadsafety/hc/23.shtml
Rule 242.
Yeah but........ rule 234
When you can see well ahead and the road conditions are good, you should
(a) drive at a steady cruising speed which you and your vehicle can handle safely and is within the speed limit (see table)
(b) keep a safe distance from the vehicle in front and increase the gap on wet or icy roads, or in fog (see Rules 105 & 210).
and rule 238......
You should drive in the left-hand lane if the road ahead is clear. If you are overtaking a number of slower moving vehicles it may be safer to remain in the centre or outer lanes until the manoeuvre is completed rather than continually changing lanes. Return to the left-hand lane once you have overtaken all the vehicles or if you are delaying traffic behind you. Slow moving or speed restricted vehicles should always remain in the left-hand lane of the carriageway unless overtaking.
So if they're in Lane two followin right up the arse of the car in front and there is a significantly bigger gap to the nearest car in Lane 1, then you can legitimately undertake them, as they are (for whatever numpty reason) ignoring the rules.
Speed Matters!!!!!
When you can see well ahead and the road conditions are good, you should
(a) drive at a steady cruising speed which you and your vehicle can handle safely and is within the speed limit (see table)
(b) keep a safe distance from the vehicle in front and increase the gap on wet or icy roads, or in fog (see Rules 105 & 210).
and rule 238......
You should drive in the left-hand lane if the road ahead is clear. If you are overtaking a number of slower moving vehicles it may be safer to remain in the centre or outer lanes until the manoeuvre is completed rather than continually changing lanes. Return to the left-hand lane once you have overtaken all the vehicles or if you are delaying traffic behind you. Slow moving or speed restricted vehicles should always remain in the left-hand lane of the carriageway unless overtaking.
So if they're in Lane two followin right up the arse of the car in front and there is a significantly bigger gap to the nearest car in Lane 1, then you can legitimately undertake them, as they are (for whatever numpty reason) ignoring the rules.
Speed Matters!!!!!
Agree with Ted there mondeoman, two wrongs don't make a right. Like being caught for speeding as everyone else blatts past. Just because Numpty is in the wrong doesn't mean you can break the regs.
I still do overtake on the inside though where its clearly safe to do so. I think it would be a very odd police person that would pull you up for that. Mind you seems Mungo has met one
I still do overtake on the inside though where its clearly safe to do so. I think it would be a very odd police person that would pull you up for that. Mind you seems Mungo has met one
It seems we all agree that lane discipline in this country is generally pretty poor. M6 between the M61 and M55 you can generally make much better progress in the inside 2 lanes. Numptys (normally complete with 'van)even join and instead of following their nice extra lane pull straight over leaving the inside empty.
I am though in favour of widening existing road but there needs to be education to go with it.
Whilst on this subject I have recently experienced a number of dual carridgeways that hae been changed to a wide cycle lane and a single lane from the previous 2 lanes (Widnes and Bolton to name 2). WHY, is this another failed attempt to get us out of the car?
I am though in favour of widening existing road but there needs to be education to go with it.
Whilst on this subject I have recently experienced a number of dual carridgeways that hae been changed to a wide cycle lane and a single lane from the previous 2 lanes (Widnes and Bolton to name 2). WHY, is this another failed attempt to get us out of the car?
2.5 million pounds for 1 kilometer? I am not familiar with the section of roadway, but will 1 km of an added lane make that much of a difference?
As for undertaking, we may have a law about it in the States, but it is completely ignored if there is one. Makes it frusterating when some bonehead sits infront of you matching the speed of the car next to him while you have to knock off 20 MPH or so to keep from wrinkling his bumper...
As for undertaking, we may have a law about it in the States, but it is completely ignored if there is one. Makes it frusterating when some bonehead sits infront of you matching the speed of the car next to him while you have to knock off 20 MPH or so to keep from wrinkling his bumper...
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fiat multipla's etc should be banned from the fast lane then we'd all get there quicker and safer.
Thank you for that BILLB. My son was asking what cars are normally associated with Numpties...I forgot the Multipla!
Remembered: -
Rover 400, Micra, RAV, Previa, Free Lander, Corrolla, Sunny, Maestro, Metro, Biege Nova, MGF, Polo, Riva, Proton (Any), Montego Estate and Allegro (old as the drivers!).
You must have noticed numpty cars often smoke?
We ought to take a leaf out of the germans book on this one believe it or not!!!, ever been on the auto bahn??, if people pull out to over take they pull straight back in and not stay in the outside lane because they will probably be cleared up by someone doing about 200 mph!!!!!
If people overtook properly and pulled in, not stayed in the outside lane traffic would flow so much better!!!!, We should also scrap the speed limit on the motorway!
If people overtook properly and pulled in, not stayed in the outside lane traffic would flow so much better!!!!, We should also scrap the speed limit on the motorway!
They've just announced the widening of the A66 between Scotch Corner and Penrith will go ahead..
Heard it on R4 this morning. Grrrr Green BBC Twats had Transport 2000 on there attacking the government transport bloke BBC goon never gave him a fighting chance.. plenty of airtime for the 'think of the bunny rabbits and algae that will be maimed by the extra cars' Green Scum
Still, fcuk those numpties - the road's being built. If there's big protest thing, anyone wanna go up there and protest against the protestors?
Heard it on R4 this morning. Grrrr Green BBC Twats had Transport 2000 on there attacking the government transport bloke BBC goon never gave him a fighting chance.. plenty of airtime for the 'think of the bunny rabbits and algae that will be maimed by the extra cars' Green Scum
Still, fcuk those numpties - the road's being built. If there's big protest thing, anyone wanna go up there and protest against the protestors?
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