Lots of 675LTs for sale..
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duggan said:
Don't worry, TP321 always bids the McLaren brand down at any opportunity (not sure on the reason), although he does provide a bit of balance with RamboLambo 
...just saying what i see - dont shoot the messenger! Considering that this is a very limited run car and the production has only partially been delivered, there are quite a few for sale. All over list mind you, but none of them were bought at £260k list. Paddy_N_Murphy said:
All the 'must haves' or flippers have jogged over to the 911R 'want'.
I heard there are only 35 991R's coming to the UK and they were all sold at a private event to the usual 'Porsche' types so I very much doubt that 675LT owners are 'jogging over' to get a 991R parts bin special. Nice as it is most McLaren owners 'get' the brand and usually sell on to get another McLaren. I believe the average 675LT price paid with options was £295k and they sre being 'advertised' at £350k to £400k. The £400 cars have lots more options including MSO so the average over is probably £50k minus SOR / dealer costs so probably £35k. Not worth flipping of you want to 'jog on'to Porsche as early reports indicate they are starting to change hands for £500k! (cant verify that just chatter from Geneva motor show while i was there) Thats more than £350k in overs which places it as an investment car and not a drivers car (which it should be)Bispal said:
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
All the 'must haves' or flippers have jogged over to the 911R 'want'.
I heard there are only 35 991R's coming to the UK and they were all sold at a private event to the usual 'Porsche' types so I very much doubt that 675LT owners are 'jogging over' to get a 991R parts bin special. Nice as it is most McLaren owners 'get' the brand and usually sell on to get another McLaren. I believe the average 675LT price paid with options was £295k and they sre being 'advertised' at £350k to £400k. The £400 cars have lots more options including MSO so the average over is probably £50k minus SOR / dealer costs so probably £35k. Not worth flipping of you want to 'jog on'to Porsche as early reports indicate they are starting to change hands for £500k! (cant verify that just chatter from Geneva motor show while i was there) Thats more than £350k in overs which places it as an investment car and not a drivers car (which it should be)flemke said:
Bispal said:
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
All the 'must haves' or flippers have jogged over to the 911R 'want'.
I heard there are only 35 991R's coming to the UK and they were all sold at a private event to the usual 'Porsche' types so I very much doubt that 675LT owners are 'jogging over' to get a 991R parts bin special. Nice as it is most McLaren owners 'get' the brand and usually sell on to get another McLaren. I believe the average 675LT price paid with options was £295k and they sre being 'advertised' at £350k to £400k. The £400 cars have lots more options including MSO so the average over is probably £50k minus SOR / dealer costs so probably £35k. Not worth flipping of you want to 'jog on'to Porsche as early reports indicate they are starting to change hands for £500k! (cant verify that just chatter from Geneva motor show while i was there) Thats more than £350k in overs which places it as an investment car and not a drivers car (which it should be)somebody posted a screenshot of a 991R listed for 749k Euros
There are also a couple F12tdfs listed in Germany for 7-digit figures
I may be wrong but I don't think anyone bought a 675LT to speculate, there were no overs with the 12C or 650S in coupe or spider so why would they be expected for the LT. The slight (compared to Porsche) increase is probably down to the fact they are sensational cars and that took some people by surprise. As there are limited numbers and many that have them don't want to sell them they are realising a slight increase. Of the 8 for sale on Pistonheads 3 are LHD, 1 probably doesn't exist, the 2 at Romans will probably sell soon (the last 2 they had both sold in 24 hours) Leaving 2 RHD cars not with the 'usual' dealers that might be available....
MDL111 said:
it is all getting a bit ridiculous...
somebody posted a screenshot of a 991R listed for 749k Euros
There are also a couple F12tdfs listed in Germany for 7-digit figures
Sounds like it will be Auto Salon Singen? They often have brand new cars on SoR at daft prices.somebody posted a screenshot of a 991R listed for 749k Euros
There are also a couple F12tdfs listed in Germany for 7-digit figures
Bispal said:
I may be wrong but I don't think anyone bought a 675LT to speculate,
I sadly doubt that. There are speculaters in every market.Bispal said:
I may be wrong but I don't think anyone bought a 675LT to speculate, there were no overs with the 12C or 650S in coupe or spider so why would they be expected for the LT. The slight (compared to Porsche) increase is probably down to the fact they are sensational cars and that took some people by surprise. As there are limited numbers and many that have them don't want to sell them they are realising a slight increase. Of the 8 for sale on Pistonheads 3 are LHD, 1 probably doesn't exist, the 2 at Romans will probably sell soon (the last 2 they had both sold in 24 hours) Leaving 2 RHD cars not with the 'usual' dealers that might be available....
It's an ethically complicated subject.One simpler element of it is the cynicism of car-makers that intentionally and artificially restrict production runs in order to create so-called "halo" products which will trade at overs, in the hope that that phenomenon will reduce the drastic depreciation of their unlimited build-run cars. A generally loathsome practice.
In the case of the 675LT, it was not really a matter of an artificially limited build-run. For at least a fortnight after the official launch, it was possible for anyone to contact a McLaren dealer and order a car. This is in stark contrast to the dubious recent practices of, for example, Porsche, with the GT4 and 911R.
The problem with the 675LT, which has been discussed in depth in other threads on this forum, was that McLaren led the world to believe that they would be making only a coupe. People who were attracted to the idea of the 675LT, but who would have preferred it in spider form (that is to say, mostly females or hairdressers), thought that there would not be a spider version and therefore they ordered the coupe.
It was only after all the orders for coupes had been placed and confirmed, deposits paid, and specifications locked, that McLaren said that, after all, they would be making the spider version. This understandably caused some people who all along would have rather bought a spider then to order a spider and to try to sell their coupes as soon as they were delivered, during the past few months. I don't think that we should think of those people as flippers. They were reacting only to McLaren's conflicting actions.
As has been said, there were always going to be some flippers - these low-rent assholes seem to be able to get their mitts on every in-demand car that comes to market.
flemke said:
It's an ethically complicated subject.
One simpler element of it is the cynicism of car-makers that intentionally and artificially restrict production runs in order to create so-called "halo" products which will trade at overs, in the hope that that phenomenon will reduce the drastic depreciation of their unlimited build-run cars. A generally loathsome practice.
In the case of the 675LT, it was not really a matter of an artificially limited build-run. For at least a fortnight after the official launch, it was possible for anyone to contact a McLaren dealer and order a car. This is in stark contrast to the dubious recent practices of, for example, Porsche, with the GT4 and 911R.
The problem with the 675LT, which has been discussed in depth in other threads on this forum, was that McLaren led the world to believe that they would be making only a coupe. People who were attracted to the idea of the 675LT, but who would have preferred it in spider form (that is to say, mostly females or hairdressers), thought that there would not be a spider version and therefore they ordered the coupe.
It was only after all the orders for coupes had been placed and confirmed, deposits paid, and specifications locked, that McLaren said that, after all, they would be making the spider version. This understandably caused some people who all along would have rather bought a spider then to order a spider and to try to sell their coupes as soon as they were delivered, during the past few months. I don't think that we should think of those people as flippers. They were reacting only to McLaren's conflicting actions.
As has been said, there were always going to be some flippers - these low-rent assholes seem to be able to get their mitts on every in-demand car that comes to market.
Exactly , 100% agree, I have owned Porsches and loved Porsches but if they wont sell me the car I want I will look elsewhere, and I did and bought a McLaren. Why on earth the GT3 / 4 and R cannot be freely available standard models is beyond me. Those who adore cars will want those models, if they can't get one they will not go and buy a C2, they will look for something special elsewhere and leave the brand, like myself and many, many others I have spoken to recently. Meanwhile who benefits from these 'halo' models? A select band of individuals who almost immediately flip their cars? I will repeat my earlier comment of whats in it for the dealer if the person the 'allow' to buy a car instantly makes £350k profit? You don't just give that amount of money away, no one would, just what is happening behind closed doors?One simpler element of it is the cynicism of car-makers that intentionally and artificially restrict production runs in order to create so-called "halo" products which will trade at overs, in the hope that that phenomenon will reduce the drastic depreciation of their unlimited build-run cars. A generally loathsome practice.
In the case of the 675LT, it was not really a matter of an artificially limited build-run. For at least a fortnight after the official launch, it was possible for anyone to contact a McLaren dealer and order a car. This is in stark contrast to the dubious recent practices of, for example, Porsche, with the GT4 and 911R.
The problem with the 675LT, which has been discussed in depth in other threads on this forum, was that McLaren led the world to believe that they would be making only a coupe. People who were attracted to the idea of the 675LT, but who would have preferred it in spider form (that is to say, mostly females or hairdressers), thought that there would not be a spider version and therefore they ordered the coupe.
It was only after all the orders for coupes had been placed and confirmed, deposits paid, and specifications locked, that McLaren said that, after all, they would be making the spider version. This understandably caused some people who all along would have rather bought a spider then to order a spider and to try to sell their coupes as soon as they were delivered, during the past few months. I don't think that we should think of those people as flippers. They were reacting only to McLaren's conflicting actions.
As has been said, there were always going to be some flippers - these low-rent assholes seem to be able to get their mitts on every in-demand car that comes to market.
Bispal said:
Exactly , 100% agree, I have owned Porsches and loved Porsches but if they wont sell me the car I want I will look elsewhere, and I did and bought a McLaren. Why on earth the GT3 / 4 and R cannot be freely available standard models is beyond me. Those who adore cars will want those models, if they can't get one they will not go and buy a C2, they will look for something special elsewhere and leave the brand, like myself and many, many others I have spoken to recently. Meanwhile who benefits from these 'halo' models? A select band of individuals who almost immediately flip their cars? I will repeat my earlier comment of whats in it for the dealer if the person the 'allow' to buy a car instantly makes £350k profit? You don't just give that amount of money away, no one would, just what is happening behind closed doors?
One suspects that quite a lot is going on behind closed doors.It is a known practice amongst US Ferrari dealers, for example, that the dealership owner will buy an early example of a hot car in his own name, jumping the queue ahead of his own customers. Then the dealership itself, which is not allowed to sell dealership-owned cars above RRP, will offer the car for sale at a premium as a "privately-owned" vehicle.
One thing the car-makers should (but won't) ban is dealers assembling waiting lists prior to when a car has been officially announced as being planned for production and being for sale. That would preclude the dealer from giving the nod to his pals, "They're going to be doing a such-and-such", whereupon the pals get their names at the head of a waiting list for a car which 99% of the rest of us have no idea will exist.
WTF are we supposed to do, go to the local Porsche Centre and say, "I don't know what cool cars Porsche will be making in the next 10 years, but I want to put my name down for every one of the good ones"?
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