Dan Jarvis - The long slow walk to leadership
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35774273
Planted his small flag.
Must have thought the time is right.
This fella might well end up the next Labour leader.
Planted his small flag.
Must have thought the time is right.
This fella might well end up the next Labour leader.
Halb said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35774273
Planted his small flag.
Must have thought the time is right.
This fella might well end up the next Labour leader.
Hardly.Planted his small flag.
Must have thought the time is right.
This fella might well end up the next Labour leader.
Extreme leftardism is now embedded at every level of the Labour party, every institution has been taken over by the raving Trot extremists. The leadership election process will produce nutter after nutter. They have seen one Tony Blair and they don't want another one. We all know that Corbyn is an unreconstructed extremist. The bad news is that very many others who are now in positions of power in the Labour party are further to the left. If Labour came to power now there would be widespread uncompensated nationalisation and very highly punitive tax rates on successful companies and individuals. They do not care about the harm they would cause, dogma is now paramount.
If Dan Jarvis had any sense he would cross the floor of the house, the Conservatives are far closer to his political philosophy than the raving Corbynistas.
Adam Ansel said:
Hardly.
Extreme leftardism is now embedded at every level of the Labour party, every institution has been taken over by the raving Trot extremists. The leadership election process will produce nutter after nutter. They have seen one Tony Blair and they don't want another one. We all know that Corbyn is an unreconstructed extremist. The bad news is that very many others who are now in positions of power in the Labour party are further to the left. If Labour came to power now there would be widespread uncompensated nationalisation and very highly punitive tax rates on successful companies and individuals. They do not care about the harm they would cause, dogma is now paramount.
If Dan Jarvis had any sense he would cross the floor of the house, the Conservatives are far closer to his political philosophy than the raving Corbynistas.
Exactly. The Labour Party have been exposed for what they really are, unreformed vindictive Socialists, too stupid to learn from their past ineptitude, or indeed, from other marvellous Socialist "success stories " through history. I beleive Venezuela is currently enjoying the miracles of Socialism. Extreme leftardism is now embedded at every level of the Labour party, every institution has been taken over by the raving Trot extremists. The leadership election process will produce nutter after nutter. They have seen one Tony Blair and they don't want another one. We all know that Corbyn is an unreconstructed extremist. The bad news is that very many others who are now in positions of power in the Labour party are further to the left. If Labour came to power now there would be widespread uncompensated nationalisation and very highly punitive tax rates on successful companies and individuals. They do not care about the harm they would cause, dogma is now paramount.
If Dan Jarvis had any sense he would cross the floor of the house, the Conservatives are far closer to his political philosophy than the raving Corbynistas.
I'm not a betting person, but I do make the odd political bet, just for fun.
For example, I placed a £100 bet the Conservatives would achieve a majority in 2015.
I also placed a similar bet right at the start of the Labour leadership campaign, before all of the candidates had come forward, that Dan Jarvis would be the next Labour leader.
And then I was completely blown out of the water with the tidal wave that was Jeremy Corbyn
When Labour decide they want to win again, they will choose someone like Dan Jarvis.
He can appeal to the centre right as well as centre left and as such can help Labour gain power again.
For example, I placed a £100 bet the Conservatives would achieve a majority in 2015.
I also placed a similar bet right at the start of the Labour leadership campaign, before all of the candidates had come forward, that Dan Jarvis would be the next Labour leader.
And then I was completely blown out of the water with the tidal wave that was Jeremy Corbyn
When Labour decide they want to win again, they will choose someone like Dan Jarvis.
He can appeal to the centre right as well as centre left and as such can help Labour gain power again.
Any Labour leader has to attract the votes of rank and file party members and this constituency has slewn hard left. Not only that, many thousands of mischievous Conservative voters will pay £3 to vote for the most left wing candidate, as they did last time. Also the activists in the party, who fix things their way with no regard for democracy, are all now hard left. The centre of the Labour party is now just a few frightened MPs who are just about to be deselected.
The hard left extremists, the majority of the Labour party now, would never betray their dogma to try and win an election. Being "right" to them is more important than being in power. The Labour party is like a 6th form debating society now, at best, except that most of them are too dim to get into a 6th form. Momentum are now the mainstream, complete with their street thuggery and intimidation. Decent people do not want to be involved with Labour now.
The hard left extremists, the majority of the Labour party now, would never betray their dogma to try and win an election. Being "right" to them is more important than being in power. The Labour party is like a 6th form debating society now, at best, except that most of them are too dim to get into a 6th form. Momentum are now the mainstream, complete with their street thuggery and intimidation. Decent people do not want to be involved with Labour now.
Fittster said:
His speech doesn't mention a single policy he'd implement if he had power.
Just another washed up blaritie.
Ah, a sensible response!Just another washed up blaritie.
I was watching the DP, and he was quite deft the nodding heads thought, not throwing stones but carefully laying bricks to distinguish himself from the Blair lot and the current lot.
If there are good odds it might be worth a flutter.
Did you vote last time?
Vitriolic internecine warfare makes the MSM: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35783651
This is what Labour spend 99% of their time doing these days, with the Corbynista extremists holding all the cards.
Dan needs to bail out before they destroy him politically.
This is what Labour spend 99% of their time doing these days, with the Corbynista extremists holding all the cards.
Dan needs to bail out before they destroy him politically.
Halb said:
Fittster said:
His speech doesn't mention a single policy he'd implement if he had power.
Just another washed up blaritie.
Ah, a sensible response!Just another washed up blaritie.
I was watching the DP, and he was quite deft the nodding heads thought, not throwing stones but carefully laying bricks to distinguish himself from the Blair lot and the current lot.
If there are good odds it might be worth a flutter.
Did you vote last time?
Jarvis is a man with no policies and no support that I can see within the overall Labour party.
I'd rather bet on him being deselected or standing down at the next election than becoming leader.
Adam Ansel said:
Vitriolic internecine warfare makes the MSM: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35783651
This is what Labour spend 99% of their time doing these days, with the Corbynista extremists holding all the cards.
Dan needs to bail out before they destroy him politically.
I was going to post the beeb link and ask is Red Ken a total This is what Labour spend 99% of their time doing these days, with the Corbynista extremists holding all the cards.
Dan needs to bail out before they destroy him politically.
? Only problem with that is we know the answer! Mindless, tasteless, talentless disgusting excuse for a manHalb said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35774273
Planted his small flag.
Must have thought the time is right.
This fella might well end up the next Labour leader.
...Planted his small flag.
Must have thought the time is right.
This fella might well end up the next Labour leader.
I thought Dan Jarvis would both enter the leadership election and win it last time. So clearly my judgement of the Labour Party is minimal besides voting for them in their less extreme moments, but...
I don't agree with all his views and on some major issues like the EU we are at opposite ends of the argument, however, I desperately want a competent opposition. UKIP under Steven Woolfe might make significant inroads into the Labour North and the LibDems might mop up the more metropolitan mainstream Labour votes, but Labour as it stands under Corbyn (or even Owen or Angela) is a major party with a minority attitude and the others won't be able to do anything for years. In the meantime the Conservatives lack the kind of healthy opposition that helps avoid complacent judgement on policies or action.
Dan Jarvis could save Labour, but not now, he had the opportunity and for good reasons didn't take it, if he got involved now he'd be another opportunist that Momentum would harass, whether there is a Labour Party to save by the time he is ready to take the next opportunity I'm not so sure.
I don't agree with all his views and on some major issues like the EU we are at opposite ends of the argument, however, I desperately want a competent opposition. UKIP under Steven Woolfe might make significant inroads into the Labour North and the LibDems might mop up the more metropolitan mainstream Labour votes, but Labour as it stands under Corbyn (or even Owen or Angela) is a major party with a minority attitude and the others won't be able to do anything for years. In the meantime the Conservatives lack the kind of healthy opposition that helps avoid complacent judgement on policies or action.
Dan Jarvis could save Labour, but not now, he had the opportunity and for good reasons didn't take it, if he got involved now he'd be another opportunist that Momentum would harass, whether there is a Labour Party to save by the time he is ready to take the next opportunity I'm not so sure.
Hosenbugler said:
Adam Ansel said:
Hardly.
Extreme leftardism is now embedded at every level of the Labour party, every institution has been taken over by the raving Trot extremists. The leadership election process will produce nutter after nutter. They have seen one Tony Blair and they don't want another one. We all know that Corbyn is an unreconstructed extremist. The bad news is that very many others who are now in positions of power in the Labour party are further to the left. If Labour came to power now there would be widespread uncompensated nationalisation and very highly punitive tax rates on successful companies and individuals. They do not care about the harm they would cause, dogma is now paramount.
If Dan Jarvis had any sense he would cross the floor of the house, the Conservatives are far closer to his political philosophy than the raving Corbynistas.
Exactly. The Labour Party have been exposed for what they really are, unreformed vindictive Socialists, too stupid to learn from their past ineptitude, or indeed, from other marvellous Socialist "success stories " through history. I beleive Venezuela is currently enjoying the miracles of Socialism. Extreme leftardism is now embedded at every level of the Labour party, every institution has been taken over by the raving Trot extremists. The leadership election process will produce nutter after nutter. They have seen one Tony Blair and they don't want another one. We all know that Corbyn is an unreconstructed extremist. The bad news is that very many others who are now in positions of power in the Labour party are further to the left. If Labour came to power now there would be widespread uncompensated nationalisation and very highly punitive tax rates on successful companies and individuals. They do not care about the harm they would cause, dogma is now paramount.
If Dan Jarvis had any sense he would cross the floor of the house, the Conservatives are far closer to his political philosophy than the raving Corbynistas.
I think a lot of people are still under the impression that the current Labour elite wants to represent a fair portion of society that don't agree with Tory policies and provide a worthwhile opposition in parliament. They are wrong. The current Labour party has a leader who is besotted with the far left and will be re-elected by those who share his views. Time for a new Labour party that is more centrist and they need someone similar to Blair to achieve it.
From what little I know - better than Keir Starmer at least. Although his hair is fabulous.
A tad O/T but connected all the same, I wonder if another small-maj or minority Tory gov after the election will in part lead to a new party.
A bigger party than 'Change' - moderates (though nuance very much encouraged) - from the Cons and Lab.
A tad O/T but connected all the same, I wonder if another small-maj or minority Tory gov after the election will in part lead to a new party.
A bigger party than 'Change' - moderates (though nuance very much encouraged) - from the Cons and Lab.
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