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fatsteve

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1,143 posts

297 months

Wednesday 23rd February 2005
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RAW processing seems to be a hot topic at the moment, so I thought I'd have a play. Aside for DPP which is good, I've been searching for the illusive RAW plugin for PS7.

There seems to be no info / links on Adobe's site for the PS7 RAW plugin (Camera RAW). As I understand this was availble originally for v7 and it later became a standard in CS.

Can anyone point me in the right direction. I really want to get into RAW processing but I'm lazy and the idea of faffing with external programs before loading in PS is a turn-off. Also, given that my abilities are yet to get to the limits of jpegs, I don't need to move to RAW. I'd like to do so now, so that I'm familar with it.

TIA

Steve

pug406

3,636 posts

273 months

Wednesday 23rd February 2005
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There is a RAW Plug-In on the Adobe site for PS7 and CS
HTH

Dave

fatsteve

Original Poster:

1,143 posts

297 months

Wednesday 23rd February 2005
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pug406 said:
There is a RAW Plug-In on the Adobe site for PS7 and CS
HTH

Dave


Hmm, already looked there, can only see stuff flogging CS

Steve

stringer_m

152 posts

270 months

Wednesday 23rd February 2005
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If I remember correctly...

Photoshop CS ships with Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) included and the downloads available on the Adobe sites are updates to it.

ACR was available for Photoshop 7.0 but as you are finding Adobe pulled it as a separate entity the minute they released CS.

The only way forward for you is either Photoshop CS (you should be able to get an upgrade if you have 7.0) or start faffing with the external programs - in which case take a look at Capture One from Phase One.

Bee_Jay

2,599 posts

268 months

Wednesday 23rd February 2005
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This is the link you want.

If you are still having probs I can mail 2.4 to you if you want.

fatsteve

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1,143 posts

297 months

Wednesday 23rd February 2005
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Just downloaded the latest version (2.4) although it doesn't mention v7 support. Seems to install ok. Does anyone have a sample CRW file handy!! (I don't have access to my files or camera at the mo'!!)

Steve

Bee_Jay

2,599 posts

268 months

Wednesday 23rd February 2005
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I can mail you a CR2 if you can handle the size of it...

The ACR plug-in also works with Elements 3.0

Bee_Jay

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268 months

fatsteve

Original Poster:

1,143 posts

297 months

Wednesday 23rd February 2005
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Wonderful, thanks, for the image link.

Arse : I get; "Unable to use the Camera Raw plugin it's not compatible with this version of photoshop"

Oh well, I'll keep plugging (no pun intended)

Steve

Bee_Jay

2,599 posts

268 months

Wednesday 23rd February 2005
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You will find that unless you are doing the odd 1 or 2 pictures, you will want to use an external RAW processor that can do batch, like C1, DPP, Rawshooter and the like, as ACR is incredibly timeconsuming...

srider

709 posts

302 months

Wednesday 23rd February 2005
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I generally favour Capture One, but there is a new RAW converter written by an ex PhaseOne employee. It's called RawShooter, and can be downloaded from www.pixmantec.com . I've tried it, and it's as good, if not better than C1 imho. There are problems with Athlon based machines at the moment, but they're working on a fix.

Best thing? At the moment it's free!

stringer_m

152 posts

270 months

Thursday 24th February 2005
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It's free but it's also PC only which is a pain

srider

709 posts

302 months

Thursday 24th February 2005
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stringer_m said:
It's free but it's also PC only which is a pain


Get a proper computer then

simpo two

90,563 posts

285 months

Thursday 24th February 2005
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srider said:

stringer_m said:
It's free but it's also PC only which is a pain

Get a proper computer then

A friend of mine has had a Mac for three years and recently confessed he doesn't know the difference between a hard drive and a DVD writer... He thinks he might have a Zip drive but isn't sure.

dinkel

27,572 posts

278 months

Thursday 24th February 2005
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simpo two said:


A friend of mine has had a Mac for three years and recently confessed he doesn't know the difference between a hard drive and a DVD writer... He thinks he might have a Zip drive but isn't sure.


This has nothing to do with Mac or non-Mac.

Mac users often have more understanding about what and why they are doing than pc owners.

Stupid: Why use raw iso JPG?

stringer_m

152 posts

270 months

Thursday 24th February 2005
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I have to work with "proper" computers all day long. The Mac is used for one thing; as a digital darkroom - it does this job very well, day in day out without any need for me to do anything to it.

I have no loyalty to any one type of architecture I just buy what I think is the most appropriate tool for the job which in this case was the Mac.

For the enterprise architectures that I am involved in designing the Mac is not the appropriate tool and so I have to use "proper" computers :-)

On the JPEG vs RAW issue check out www.luminous-landscape.com there was an interesting article on there. Basically the analogy is that using RAW affords you the same level of control as owning your own darkroom whereas using JPEG is like picking your pictures up from Snappy Snaps.

Of immediate usefulness are things like post shot white balance correction/customisation and detail recovery in blown highlights. If ultimate quality is your concern then RAW is the way to go because it's not compressed in a lossy (if at all) way. Further, converters like ACR will allow you to convert to 16bit files which allow you much greater lattitude than 8bit files with curves etc before the onset of posterization.

>> Edited by stringer_m on Thursday 24th February 12:30

simpo two

90,563 posts

285 months

Thursday 24th February 2005
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dinkel said:
This has nothing to do with Mac or non-Mac. Mac users often have more understanding about what and why they are doing than pc owners.

The inference of my post is that Macs are so easy to use, you don't need to know anything about them to do stuff. It was actually a pro-Mac statement.
dinkel said:
Why use raw iso JPG?

I don't know. How do you combine two file formats and a sensitivity rating into one answer?

dinkel

27,572 posts

278 months

Thursday 24th February 2005
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simpo two said:

dinkel said:
Why use raw iso JPG?


I don't know. How do you combine two file formats and a sensitivity rating into one answer?


is0 = instead of . . .

24 mb jpgs are big enough to get a proper pic from. PS is ok to pep and trick things for livingroom use.

With the Hasselblad we used RAW data. But hey, those pics were like 1 gb . . . . big hires plots / posters etc.

simpo two

90,563 posts

285 months

Thursday 24th February 2005
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dinkel said:
is0 = instead of . . .

Aha, thanks. Fooled by context!

beano500

20,854 posts

295 months

Thursday 24th February 2005
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simpo two said:

dinkel said:
is0 = instead of . . .


Aha, thanks. Fooled by context!
You making a DIN again, simpo...?