991RS or 991R, that is the question
Discussion
Till details of the 991R became available, the RS was more in the limelight.
The R was rumoured to have cost a lot more, but both cars are circa £150k.
So which one is really more desirable? 991 cars plays 2500? The other differences are well telegraphed.
Will RS owners switch horses, if they can?
Certainly there is place in a big stable for both.
Let's hear your views.
The R was rumoured to have cost a lot more, but both cars are circa £150k.
So which one is really more desirable? 991 cars plays 2500? The other differences are well telegraphed.
Will RS owners switch horses, if they can?
Certainly there is place in a big stable for both.
Let's hear your views.
I do remember thinking at the time the R was launched, if I got a call I could have one but would have to trade in the RS, my immediate thoughts would have been to say no thanks. I have a couple of really good manual cars now which are a hoot to drive and plenty fast enough.
I really like the RS and can't see me wanting to get rid of it anytime soon.
However if you look at the potential future financial gains etc then probably it would be a no brainer to say yes.
I really like the RS and can't see me wanting to get rid of it anytime soon.
However if you look at the potential future financial gains etc then probably it would be a no brainer to say yes.
I was offered a 991 R and am fortunate to own a 991 GT3 RS (and a 997 GT3 RS 4.0). I think the "R" is slightly contrived and i can't get away from thinking that initially you push the boat out technology wise with the RS and then you (Porsche that is) see that demand is higher than anticipated but also that there are some mumblings about people wanting a manual RS and instead of "backwards" engineering a manual gearbox into the RS you simply create a hype around a limited edition "R" model.
I have come to like the pdk in the GT3 RS to the point where i wouldn't spec this car with a manual even if i could. The manual box belongs to a previous era where the 4.0 pretty much represents the zenit!. To order "R" simply on the basis that you can always flip it sounds compelling but I think people should buy cars because they share a passion for driving them not as a financial investment. Bubbles will burst and i think that it is unlike that the last 12 months of "no-brainer" premiums on so-called limited editions is set to continue forever. Just my opinion obviously. An for those people who would consider paying hefty premiums on "Rs" consider some of the alternatives such as 993 RS, 997 RS or indeed the 4.0.
I have come to like the pdk in the GT3 RS to the point where i wouldn't spec this car with a manual even if i could. The manual box belongs to a previous era where the 4.0 pretty much represents the zenit!. To order "R" simply on the basis that you can always flip it sounds compelling but I think people should buy cars because they share a passion for driving them not as a financial investment. Bubbles will burst and i think that it is unlike that the last 12 months of "no-brainer" premiums on so-called limited editions is set to continue forever. Just my opinion obviously. An for those people who would consider paying hefty premiums on "Rs" consider some of the alternatives such as 993 RS, 997 RS or indeed the 4.0.
I'm in the camp of it being a parts bin special. I don't buy into the whole purist's car thing; buy an older car if you want less grip. Plus, the next Gen car will likely carry over all the tweaks anyway. The RS is more of a spectacle and has more theatre about it; i'd easily choose one over an R.
hondansx said:
I'm in the camp of it being a parts bin special. I don't buy into the whole purist's car thing; buy an older car if you want less grip. Plus, the next Gen car will likely carry over all the tweaks anyway. The RS is more of a spectacle and has more theatre about it; i'd easily choose one over an R.
Does it really matter whether the car is a parts bin special as long as the end product is (very) good? The 4.0RS could be said to be a parts bin exercise as well for example.isaldiri said:
Does it really matter whether the car is a parts bin special as long as the end product is (very) good? The 4.0RS could be said to be a parts bin exercise as well for example.
The 4.0RS is the ultimate in cars most of us grew up with. And Mezger. 
And why a E30 Sport Evo and the 2.5 16v Mercedes equivalent will always be highly regarded.
If the 991R was in normal production, would there be the mad demand at the price?
Sam All said:
If the 991R was in normal production, would there be the mad demand at the price?
Clearly not but the same applies to the gt4 and gt3rs as well. Look at the number of gt4 buyers trying to convince themselves prices will remain above £100k for all eternity.If Porsche stated they would fulfill all customer orders a huge chunk of the interest would disappear instantly as the cars would y'know actually depreciate......as even a car as good as the 7.2RS did initially so how good a car has ecoty or not has absolutely bugger all to do with the premiums.
CarCrazedFool said:
I think that couldn't be further from the truth having seen the car up close.
Please don't let a small thing like actually seeing it interfere with proceedings :-) I am sure it will be an epic car, especially equipped with the single mass flywheel. Enjoy it when you get it and congratulations on the allocation.The RS, with it's useless-on-the-road aero and it's pdk gearbox is going to be necessarily less involving as a road-car than the R. The R is clearly the more desirable, more relevant car. It's better looking too.
The R wins this debate out by a billion miles.
Of course, for you guys that find the car the limiting factor on track,instead of your ability, and need the last 3kg of downforce at 300km/h, I'd recommend getting a Cup car.
The R wins this debate out by a billion miles.
Of course, for you guys that find the car the limiting factor on track,instead of your ability, and need the last 3kg of downforce at 300km/h, I'd recommend getting a Cup car.
Edited by Murcielago_Boy on Tuesday 29th March 14:43
Murcielago_Boy said:
The RS, with it's useless-on-the-road aero and it's pdk gearbox is going to be necessarily less involving as a road-car than the RS. The R is clearly the more desirable, more relevant car. It's better looking too.
The R wins this debate out by a billion miles.
Of course, for you guys that find the car the limiting factor on track,instead of your ability, and need the last 3kg of downforce at 300km/h, I'd recommend getting a Cup car.
Agree. I'd have an R over an RS any day of the year (whilst I do think the RS is a great achievement). I prefer racing to track driving and would use both cars for road driving only. The R wins this debate out by a billion miles.
Of course, for you guys that find the car the limiting factor on track,instead of your ability, and need the last 3kg of downforce at 300km/h, I'd recommend getting a Cup car.
Murcielago_Boy said:
The RS, with it's useless-on-the-road aero and it's pdk gearbox is going to be necessarily less involving as a road-car than the R. The R is clearly the more desirable, more relevant car. It's better looking too.
The R wins this debate out by a billion miles.
Of course, for you guys that find the car the limiting factor on track,instead of your ability, and need the last 3kg of downforce at 300km/h, I'd recommend getting a Cup car.
Wins the debate in the mind of somebody who doesn't have either. Great stuff. The R wins this debate out by a billion miles.
Of course, for you guys that find the car the limiting factor on track,instead of your ability, and need the last 3kg of downforce at 300km/h, I'd recommend getting a Cup car.
Edited by Murcielago_Boy on Tuesday 29th March 14:43
On another note, I'd prefer a Saturn V over a Space Shuttle.
Isn't PH great these days.
CarCrazedFool said:
Sam All said:
There is an element that the "R" is contrived - some might even say a "bin parts" special. It probably was not on the drawing boards till fairly recently in product development times.
I think that couldn't be further from the truth having seen the car up close.It is a GT3 / RS hybrid with a few different body parts. The carbon bits you can't see, and the undertray involves peering under the car. As nice as it is, it is unashamedly no different. And yep, i've sat in one!
AndrewD said:
Wins the debate in the mind of somebody who doesn't have either. Great stuff.
On another note, I'd prefer a Saturn V over a Space Shuttle.
Isn't PH great these days.
What do you do? OWN a car before you make a decision to buy one? HA!On another note, I'd prefer a Saturn V over a Space Shuttle.
Isn't PH great these days.
On another note, let me marry that pretty girl, before I decide to take her out for a date to see if I can give an opinion on her.
Isn't PH wonderful.
Murcielago_Boy said:
AndrewD said:
Wins the debate in the mind of somebody who doesn't have either. Great stuff.
On another note, I'd prefer a Saturn V over a Space Shuttle.
Isn't PH great these days.
What do you do? OWN a car before you make a decision to buy one? HA!On another note, I'd prefer a Saturn V over a Space Shuttle.
Isn't PH great these days.
On another note, let me marry that pretty girl, before I decide to take her out for a date to see if I can give an opinion on her.
Isn't PH wonderful.
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