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mikal83

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Thursday 31st March 2016
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Years ago I used Canon AE1 with various lenses a lot and loved it. But now of course we are all digital. I have a small Coolpix Nikon for handy walkabout snaps but now want a DSLR to play with. Looking up to 100 squids, decent lens maybe a 70-200 zoom or 2 a 35-70 and 70-200. Second hand from e*ay of course. Is "live view" a must?

Would love some recommendations.

shots will be just regular tourist pictures, travelling etc no pro stuff.

Thnx

K12beano

20,854 posts

299 months

Thursday 31st March 2016
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Assuming that budget is for body only, I think you might (with a bit of a stretch) get to a secondhand Nikon D200. They were well built and go on for years - as some around these parts would testify.

I couldn't really imagine contemplating anything earlier D1/D70/D100, and anything more recent (with possible exception of D2) would probably be above that budget point....

PS - you'd be better off with a body with the lens AF drive, so I'd dismiss the D40/D50 types too, even though they might have youth on their side.



Edited by K12beano on Thursday 31st March 12:41

mikal83

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Thursday 31st March 2016
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Have seen a sony alpha a200 and a350 that comes with everything on ebay that looks great.
Not looking for just an body

TheLimla

1,833 posts

218 months

Thursday 31st March 2016
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Could get a used Canon 1100d from MBP for around that amount

GetCarter

30,823 posts

303 months

Thursday 31st March 2016
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OP wants a decent DSLR with 35-70 and 70 -200 and live view.... spending up to £100.

My wish list just got a lot longer.





mikal83

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Thursday 31st March 2016
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GetCarter said:
OP wants a decent DSLR with 35-70 and 70 -200 and live view.... spending up to £100.

My wish list just got a lot longer.
Appreciatte the replies so far but I only asked .......IF live view is a must!!!

I have so far seen 2 Nikon d3100 bodies only for under 100. A D70 and Sonly alpha 200 under 100. 2 D3000 under 50.

andburg

8,583 posts

193 months

Thursday 31st March 2016
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Keep an eye out for a D40x, if you're lucky you'll get one with an 18-55 kit lense and a few batteries or filters for £100 but in reality £100 is unlikely to get you a DSLR with 2 lenses. Sub £100 bodies and cheap lenses and the bread and butter of photography students. Most stick with a brand and will upgrade the body and keep the lenses or vice versa.

The early Sony Alphas are a good shout on a budget. there are lots of old Minolta A-mount lenses to try but old is the key word.


GetCarter

30,823 posts

303 months

Thursday 31st March 2016
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mikal83 said:
Appreciatte the replies so far but I only asked .......IF live view is a must!!!
I have to ask this I'm afraid. A 'MUST' for what?

mikal83

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Thursday 31st March 2016
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GetCarter said:
mikal83 said:
Appreciatte the replies so far but I only asked .......IF live view is a must!!!
I have to ask this I'm afraid. A 'MUST' for what?
errrrrrrrrr to have!

Mr Will

13,719 posts

230 months

Thursday 31st March 2016
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mikal83 said:
GetCarter said:
mikal83 said:
Appreciatte the replies so far but I only asked .......IF live view is a must!!!
I have to ask this I'm afraid. A 'MUST' for what?
errrrrrrrrr to have!
Do you want to be able to take pictures while holding the camera at arms length and peering at the small screen on the back, or are you content to look through the viewfinder?

Asking if live-view is a must on a camera is a bit like asking if a hatch-back is a must when buying a car - it depends what you want to do with it.

GetCarter

30,823 posts

303 months

Thursday 31st March 2016
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mikal83 said:
GetCarter said:
mikal83 said:
Appreciatte the replies so far but I only asked .......IF live view is a must!!!
I have to ask this I'm afraid. A 'MUST' for what?
errrrrrrrrr to have!
Thought so.

Edited by GetCarter on Thursday 31st March 16:26

mikal83

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276 months

Thursday 31st March 2016
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Mr Will said:
mikal83 said:
GetCarter said:
mikal83 said:
Appreciatte the replies so far but I only asked .......IF live view is a must!!!
I have to ask this I'm afraid. A 'MUST' for what?
errrrrrrrrr to have!
Do you want to be able to take pictures while holding the camera at arms length and peering at the small screen on the back, or are you content to look through the viewfinder?

Asking if live-view is a must on a camera is a bit like asking if a hatch-back is a must when buying a car - it depends what you want to do with it.
OK I'll try and make it easier for you. IF camera A is say comparable to camera B BUT camera B has live view and its 10/20 quid more..........I might consider it. As I said at the start, I have a small Nikon Coolpix that only has a "live view" function. its handy but just that as most of the time you just point and shoot when taking quick snaps. I know your trying to help but try and think a bit out of the box.

"Do you want to be able to take pictures while holding the camera at arms length and peering at the small screen on the back, or are you content to look through the viewfinder?" THIS is my ?? Is it worth the extra $$ coz LV is only available on later cameras and I don't think I will get a body under 100, BUT I think I will be able to get a decent DSLR ...older but OK for 50!

tonyb1968

1,156 posts

170 months

Thursday 31st March 2016
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You will be looking at the D80 or D100, the D70 had some issues (hence the D80 replaced it), but both the 80 (10mp) and D100 (6mp and earlier than the 80) are around your 100 quid budget, you definitely wont be getting live view on a dslr for that sort of cash though.

Simpo Two

91,480 posts

289 months

Thursday 31st March 2016
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You don't need live view.

D70 was Camera of the Year 2004 - but as thngs weren't so developed then it's not good over ISO 400.

D200 good up to ISO 800.

V8Wagon

1,707 posts

184 months

Thursday 31st March 2016
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What about mirrorless?

Canon EOS M has interchangeable lenses, DSLR size sensor (and image quality), live view with touch screen. No viewfinder though. For a smidge over a hundred quid I reckon they are an absolute bargain.

mikal83

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276 months

Friday 1st April 2016
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Thankyou very much for your comments. D80 body only seems to go for 75-90 quid, the 70 a bit cheaper. Guess a second hand lens 30 more? The D3000/D3100 seems to have a good review that I G**gled.

mikal83

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Friday 1st April 2016
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Simpo Two said:
You don't need live view.

D70 was Camera of the Year 2004 - but as thngs weren't so developed then it's not good over ISO 400.

D200 good up to ISO 800.
Silly money??? eBay item number:

162020366991

Mr Will

13,719 posts

230 months

Friday 1st April 2016
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mikal83 said:
Mr Will said:
mikal83 said:
GetCarter said:
mikal83 said:
Appreciatte the replies so far but I only asked .......IF live view is a must!!!
I have to ask this I'm afraid. A 'MUST' for what?
errrrrrrrrr to have!
Do you want to be able to take pictures while holding the camera at arms length and peering at the small screen on the back, or are you content to look through the viewfinder?

Asking if live-view is a must on a camera is a bit like asking if a hatch-back is a must when buying a car - it depends what you want to do with it.
OK I'll try and make it easier for you. IF camera A is say comparable to camera B BUT camera B has live view and its 10/20 quid more..........I might consider it. As I said at the start, I have a small Nikon Coolpix that only has a "live view" function. its handy but just that as most of the time you just point and shoot when taking quick snaps. I know your trying to help but try and think a bit out of the box.

"Do you want to be able to take pictures while holding the camera at arms length and peering at the small screen on the back, or are you content to look through the viewfinder?" THIS is my ?? Is it worth the extra $$ coz LV is only available on later cameras and I don't think I will get a body under 100, BUT I think I will be able to get a decent DSLR ...older but OK for 50!
Okay. Let me put this in words of one syllable for you:

We can not tell you if live view is worth it for you. You must make that choice.

Old bodies without it work just fine. New bodies tend to be better. It seems a very strange thing to fixate on. Your AE1 didn't have it and I assume you were happy with that?

Simpo Two

91,480 posts

289 months

Friday 1st April 2016
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mikal83 said:
Silly money??? eBay item number:

162020366991
Silly indeed!

Pros - the camera will take photos just as good as it did when it cost £999 body-only.

The 18-70 lens is a decent lens and worth £80+ s/h.

On the more advanced side, it has an electromagnetic shutter which can synch with studio lights up to 1/1000th sec and more, and it can be adapted to infra-red photography.


Cons - high-ISO performance is poor and the screen is small compared to modern offerings.

6Mp is enough for most things; I've had A3 prints from it and they look fine.

The D200 has better ISO performance and a bigger screen, but IIRC bodies go for about £100.

mikal83

Original Poster:

5,340 posts

276 months

Friday 1st April 2016
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Simpo Two said:
mikal83 said:
Silly money??? eBay item number:

162020366991
Silly indeed!

Pros - the camera will take photos just as good as it did when it cost £999 body-only.

The 18-70 lens is a decent lens and worth £80+ s/h.

On the more advanced side, it has an electromagnetic shutter which can synch with studio lights up to 1/1000th sec and more, and it can be adapted to infra-red photography.


Cons - high-ISO performance is poor and the screen is small compared to modern offerings.

6Mp is enough for most things; I've had A3 prints from it and they look fine.

The D200 has better ISO performance and a bigger screen, but IIRC bodies go for about £100.
Too much $$$$$$$$$$$ for me