911 choice for £50-60k
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I currently have a 997.1 C2S which I love. It's my first Porsche and I've had it for over 3 years now which must be a record for me. I have recently started to consider replacing it for something a little more modern. If I don't I'll probably keep this for a long time, so it's possible replacement would also need to be a long term keeper.
What would you buy for £50-60k and why? Currently thinking either a 997 GTS which is surely a good long term investment bet, or a 991 C2S - both PDK. I wouldn't mind a 997 turbo but do find the PCM ancient and don't really want the hassle of swapping it for aftermarket (minor detail I know but it does bug me..). Gen 2 997 turbo too dear for me.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
What would you buy for £50-60k and why? Currently thinking either a 997 GTS which is surely a good long term investment bet, or a 991 C2S - both PDK. I wouldn't mind a 997 turbo but do find the PCM ancient and don't really want the hassle of swapping it for aftermarket (minor detail I know but it does bug me..). Gen 2 997 turbo too dear for me.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Current parity on price between the 997 GTS and 991 S reflects just how desirable the older cars are due to now obsolete hydraulic steering way ahead of the first 911 epas on the 991.
Essentially, the GTS is a sports car and the 991 a sports GT.
Good spec and mileage GTS have residually been level for 3 years now although early £60ks would be a max price for the best OPC car imo......the rising prices of the 997 GT3s have no doubt helped this strength.
Just make sure you get a 2wd car for perfect handling although they need to be set up correctly like all 911s. Other essentials are the Spyder centrelocks and leather dashboard as the standard placcy looks s
t.
Overall, a great package and streets ahead of the 997.1.
Essentially, the GTS is a sports car and the 991 a sports GT.
Good spec and mileage GTS have residually been level for 3 years now although early £60ks would be a max price for the best OPC car imo......the rising prices of the 997 GT3s have no doubt helped this strength.
Just make sure you get a 2wd car for perfect handling although they need to be set up correctly like all 911s. Other essentials are the Spyder centrelocks and leather dashboard as the standard placcy looks s
t.Overall, a great package and streets ahead of the 997.1.
Have to say my immediate thought was 997 GTS at this price point, but even £60k might leave you a bit short in the current market - one with some miles on it perhaps. Best of the 997's (short of GT3) greater than the sum of its parts, plus gen2 so you'll have PCM3 which you mentioned is important. A 997.1 Turbo would be interesting (or for that matter a 996T) and it would have the same PCM as you have in your 7.1 C2S. 981 Cayman GTS? Not sure that would be in budget but would have to be on my shopping list too I think. Why not try one?
Happy trails!
Happy trails!
Nimerino said:
997 GTS. You're welcome.
On a serious note, though, I owned a 997 GTS for a good while, only recently replacing it with a 991 GT3. The GTS might still be the best car I've ever owned, all the more for possessing that inimitable 'Porsche feel'. I loved everything about it.
Exactly the same situation for me. Totally recommend the 997GTS and Agree it's probably the best car I've owned too. 2wd, manual & must have leather. Think it will be above £60k for that spec though (mileage depending) - mid to late £60's in current market and Hendon Way motors 4.5k miles manual just sold and was on at £73,995. Took a while to go so maybe they took an offer.On a serious note, though, I owned a 997 GTS for a good while, only recently replacing it with a 991 GT3. The GTS might still be the best car I've ever owned, all the more for possessing that inimitable 'Porsche feel'. I loved everything about it.
Joratk said:
As above, I would try a 981 CGTS. The balance and chuckability of the chassis is something to behold, and it's also a good bit smaller than a 911, especially 991. Although, of course won't hold its value as well as a 997 GTS. Bit of a wild card to consider maybe?
Good call and a great car. Again ideally it needs manual and the X73 sports suspension but with those two options another future classic IMO. As you say maybe not quite as strong as the 997GTS but a good place to put your money and maybe closer on the OP's budget. A local friend went through the same question at a similar budget.
He originally wanted to spend around £45k and get a 997 gen 2 but I persuaded him to look at a GTS and a 991 C2S.
A like for like 991 C2S was about £8k to £10k more - so he went for the GTS.
But having read the posts above it appears 997 GTS have gone up in price and now on parity with a 991 c2S ???
If at the same price - personally I would want a near perfect GTS, otherwise all things being equal the 991 C2s.
He bought his in late Jan - 997 GTS - PDK - chrono - Bose - 2011 - early 20k miles, dark blue, black leather, black wheels, centre locks. He paid less than £50k - it needed a big 4 year service (that was 7 months late - Porsche agreed it was ok and will happily add warranty), plus 1 tyre replacing due to damage - both on that axle were brand new, so got away with just doing one.
With all bits including 2 years OPC warranty, and 4 year service - I think it cost him sub £53k - it is a cab, I thought this was neutral with regards value.
He originally wanted to spend around £45k and get a 997 gen 2 but I persuaded him to look at a GTS and a 991 C2S.
A like for like 991 C2S was about £8k to £10k more - so he went for the GTS.
But having read the posts above it appears 997 GTS have gone up in price and now on parity with a 991 c2S ???
If at the same price - personally I would want a near perfect GTS, otherwise all things being equal the 991 C2s.
He bought his in late Jan - 997 GTS - PDK - chrono - Bose - 2011 - early 20k miles, dark blue, black leather, black wheels, centre locks. He paid less than £50k - it needed a big 4 year service (that was 7 months late - Porsche agreed it was ok and will happily add warranty), plus 1 tyre replacing due to damage - both on that axle were brand new, so got away with just doing one.
With all bits including 2 years OPC warranty, and 4 year service - I think it cost him sub £53k - it is a cab, I thought this was neutral with regards value.
Wilmslowboy said:
He bought his in late Jan - 997 GTS - PDK - chrono - Bose - 2011 - early 20k miles, dark blue, black leather, black wheels, centre locks. He paid less than £50k - it needed a big 4 year service (that was 7 months late - Porsche agreed it was ok and will happily add warranty), plus 1 tyre replacing due to damage - both on that axle were brand new, so got away with just doing one.
With all bits including 2 years OPC warranty, and 4 year service - I think it cost him sub £53k - it is a cab, I thought this was neutral with regards value.
That seems decent value even accounting for the late service........although the colour questionably not the best especially on a cab.With all bits including 2 years OPC warranty, and 4 year service - I think it cost him sub £53k - it is a cab, I thought this was neutral with regards value.
Puts into perspective the quite frankly joke price of the undoubtedly desirable low mileage 'manuel' £73k HWM car.
I bought a manual 997 GTS a month ago from Silverstone...28k miles and a great spec. Silver, Alcantara, Leather Dash (although it's not on the spec list ?!?!?), Adaptive seats and a whole load of other boxes ticked. I put a £2k deposit down having not even seen a picture....drove it the next day and knew how good it was within the first 2 mins of the test drive. Controls are just brilliant and the chassis is superbly judged for UK country roads. Not had the geo done by CG or the like yet....
£60k with a two year OPC warranty. Price is much more sensitive to mileage than spec. I think for a rare manual I got a bit of a bargain though. All the other OPC cars at the time were sub £60k, not any more.
For £60k it's an utterly brilliant car.
£60k with a two year OPC warranty. Price is much more sensitive to mileage than spec. I think for a rare manual I got a bit of a bargain though. All the other OPC cars at the time were sub £60k, not any more.
For £60k it's an utterly brilliant car.
Edited by Cheib on Saturday 2nd April 15:21
Another vote for the 997 GTS here. I bought a 4wd version late last year and love it. Personally I think centre lock wheels, alcantata interior (to set it aside from other models) & as others have mentioned, the leather dash are essentials. If you going PDK then sports chrono is essential as without it I believe you don't have access to 'sport' & 'sport plus' modes, nor launch contol.
Can't advise whether it will hold its money. Who knows. Seems pretty cheap motoring at the moment though.
Can't advise whether it will hold its money. Who knows. Seems pretty cheap motoring at the moment though.
GTS great but not really that different to a C2s in terms of power. I'd buy a gen 1.5 turbo with the updated PCM. Late 2008 / 2009 cars. Very rare and start at about £65k. No manual gen 1.5s for sale at the moment which speaks volumes. Leave your number with a couple of OPCs and Indys as these things are flying out the door as soon as they land although not really sure why.
av185 said:
That seems decent value even accounting for the late service........although the colour questionably not the best especially on a cab.
Puts into perspective the quite frankly joke price of the undoubtedly desirable low mileage 'manuel' £73k HWM car.
Ahhh HWM....where to begin. You won't be able to view the car as it will still be with its owner, and that rather chewy asking price is a function of it being a SOR car (Anthony owns hardly any of his stock outright I'm reliably informed). Feel free to try and negotiate - but you'll have to state your price first of course as there aren't any prices on his website...ahem. And that's just trying to BUY a car. Try SELLING one via them and you might wish you hadn't. Puts into perspective the quite frankly joke price of the undoubtedly desirable low mileage 'manuel' £73k HWM car.
Just IMHO of course
9e 28 said:
GTS great but not really that different to a C2s in terms of power. I'd buy a gen 1.5 turbo with the updated PCM. Late 2008 / 2009 cars. Very rare and start at about £65k. No manual gen 1.5s for sale at the moment which speaks volumes. Leave your number with a couple of OPCs and Indys as these things are flying out the door as soon as they land although not really sure why.
I think it very much depends what the OP wants to use the car for...Sunday morning drives on country lanes you'd buy a GTS. If you want a car that can do that but also gets used a lot for driving distances as a GT for a trip to Europe...then you'd get a Turbo. For the former the GTS has all the power you need. 9e 28 said:
GTS great but not really that different to a C2s in terms of power. I'd buy a gen 1.5 turbo with the updated PCM. Late 2008 / 2009 cars. Very rare and start at about £65k. No manual gen 1.5s for sale at the moment which speaks volumes. Leave your number with a couple of OPCs and Indys as these things are flying out the door as soon as they land although not really sure why.
GTS has 28bhp over the S with a much flatter torque curve.....wide body too.Turbo is quick in a straight line but far less involving as a drivers 911 than a GTS.
av185 said:
9e 28 said:
GTS great but not really that different to a C2s in terms of power. I'd buy a gen 1.5 turbo with the updated PCM. Late 2008 / 2009 cars. Very rare and start at about £65k. No manual gen 1.5s for sale at the moment which speaks volumes. Leave your number with a couple of OPCs and Indys as these things are flying out the door as soon as they land although not really sure why.
GTS has 28bhp over the S with a much flatter torque curve.....wide body too.Turbo is quick in a straight line but far less involving as a drivers 911 than a GTS.
av185 said:
9e 28 said:
GTS great but not really that different to a C2s in terms of power. I'd buy a gen 1.5 turbo with the updated PCM. Late 2008 / 2009 cars. Very rare and start at about £65k. No manual gen 1.5s for sale at the moment which speaks volumes. Leave your number with a couple of OPCs and Indys as these things are flying out the door as soon as they land although not really sure why.
GTS has 28bhp over the S with a much flatter torque curve.....wide body too.Turbo is quick in a straight line but far less involving as a drivers 911 than a GTS.
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