What would happen if all airline security was removed ?
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hstewie said:
hstewie said:J4CKO said:
would every terrorist group blow every other flight up ?
Yes.El Al don't do what they do for s
ts and giggles.We don't see the same security at other major transport terminals, and they don't frequently blowup.
surveyor said:
It's an interesting question. obviously modem intelligence.
We don't see the same security at other major transport terminals, and they don't frequently blowup.
I guess with most other transport methods when they blow something up they don't often kill 200-odd people with a total loss of life.We don't see the same security at other major transport terminals, and they don't frequently blowup.
Crossflow Kid said:
Simpo Two said:
Where were the terrorists in the 1960s (and before?)
Being suppressed by Imperial rule.Life was so much simpler when it was all about tea, railways and the Lee Enfield rifle.
Unfortunately you need a military of suitable size, ability & equipment to be able to carry it off. Plus politicians with balls......(or should that be a handbag?)
mikef said:
surveyor said:
We don't see the same security at other major transport terminals, and they don't frequently blowup.
A bomb on a plane results in total loss of life and of a $100M asset. It's a spectacularYes, this. It is quite difficult to get the destruction from anything similar. I have often thought that a bomb at a concert or even a crowded shopping centre would be more effective, but it is quite difficult to get a large enough explosive to do that much damage. All those people and things getting in the way from the initial explosion tend to weaken the impact significantly (as you can see from Brussels airport).
I spend way too long on planes and also wonder why it is so 'hard' to blow one up: you have access to electricity and presumably you could built a some sort of small EMP that would go undetected and wipe out most of the systems. You could also do something like this:
When I saw this thread I wondered what the difference was between blowing up a train and an aircraft. Similar number of people (more, actually, on a train). You would cause utter chaos if you did it at one of the primary junctions into London, provided you derailed it and thus wrecked all the rails. I can remember the misery of commuting after the Hitchin derailment and how long it took to make repairs.
However, then I remembered that an aircraft is pressurised and so, I think, that means you don't need as much explosive. Certainly an aircraft will crash more easily after minor damage that would not affect a train.
But ... what if someone wandered onto the railway tracks and placed a small quantity of explosive that would trigger when the next train ran over it? Wouldn't need much to break the rail and have the train fall off the tracks??
However, then I remembered that an aircraft is pressurised and so, I think, that means you don't need as much explosive. Certainly an aircraft will crash more easily after minor damage that would not affect a train.
But ... what if someone wandered onto the railway tracks and placed a small quantity of explosive that would trigger when the next train ran over it? Wouldn't need much to break the rail and have the train fall off the tracks??
Flooble said:
When I saw this thread I wondered what the difference was between blowing up a train and an aircraft. Similar number of people (more, actually, on a train). You would cause utter chaos if you did it at one of the primary junctions into London, provided you derailed it and thus wrecked all the rails. I can remember the misery of commuting after the Hitchin derailment and how long it took to make repairs.
However, then I remembered that an aircraft is pressurised and so, I think, that means you don't need as much explosive. Certainly an aircraft will crash more easily after minor damage that would not affect a train.
But ... what if someone wandered onto the railway tracks and placed a small quantity of explosive that would trigger when the next train ran over it? Wouldn't need much to break the rail and have the train fall off the tracks??
Do you mean Hatfield?However, then I remembered that an aircraft is pressurised and so, I think, that means you don't need as much explosive. Certainly an aircraft will crash more easily after minor damage that would not affect a train.
But ... what if someone wandered onto the railway tracks and placed a small quantity of explosive that would trigger when the next train ran over it? Wouldn't need much to break the rail and have the train fall off the tracks??
I certainly agree about small quantities of explosives in the correct place, half a dozen bombs could bring the country to its' knees! Imagine the chaos if you placed one each on the line between Alexanda Palace/Stevenage and one on the Hertford loop
Tango13 said:
Do you mean Hatfield?
I certainly agree about small quantities of explosives in the correct place, half a dozen bombs could bring the country to its' knees! Imagine the chaos if you placed one each on the line between Alexanda Palace/Stevenage and one on the Hertford loop
Sorry yes, it was a while ago and I have done my best to blot out the memory of crawling around the "loop"!I certainly agree about small quantities of explosives in the correct place, half a dozen bombs could bring the country to its' knees! Imagine the chaos if you placed one each on the line between Alexanda Palace/Stevenage and one on the Hertford loop
J4CKO said:
It is a bit of a daft question, I know as it will never happen but would it be utter carnage, would every terrorist group blow every other flight up ?
I doubt it, much visible airport security is more or less theatre.They could scrap a lot of it I'm sure, although in the short term doing so would likely be a red rag to a bull.
Flooble said:
But ... what if someone wandered onto the railway tracks and placed a small quantity of explosive that would trigger when the next train ran over it? Wouldn't need much to break the rail and have the train fall off the tracks??
Rails are relatively quick to repair. After 7/7 the Picc line was running again within a couple of days and that included removing heavily damaged rolling stock from inside a tunnel network.An IED on an open section of mainline railway would do very little to the permanent way. Tripping up a train would be more spectacular but that would require timing.
Wandering on to the track unnoticed wouldn't be that easy either. Anywhere of any strategic significance will be busy with trains and/or covered by CCTV or within sight of a station.
The other thing to bear in mind overall is that the latest breed of teapot usually wants to blow themselves up as much as anyone else so that usually involves them wearing something.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 3rd April 18:08
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