Porkers in the snow ?
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993 C2 with supercharger here! Drove down to Verbier just before new year: snow and ice on the motorways starting at Reims - then hard-packed snow on top of ice in Switzerland...
Conclusions:
1) Going uphill works really well
2) Downhill is
ing scary, tail constantly sliding off the crown of the road
3) Ideally get narrow tyres and chains. I had proper winter tyres on, but it was still very iffy in places. 993s need 16s to get chains on, they won't fit on 17" wheels as they foul the bodywork
4) Do not under any circumstances try to keep up with the Valais locals, you will stack
There's a thread a while back with this and a few other stories in it...
Conclusions:
1) Going uphill works really well
2) Downhill is
ing scary, tail constantly sliding off the crown of the road 3) Ideally get narrow tyres and chains. I had proper winter tyres on, but it was still very iffy in places. 993s need 16s to get chains on, they won't fit on 17" wheels as they foul the bodywork
4) Do not under any circumstances try to keep up with the Valais locals, you will stack
There's a thread a while back with this and a few other stories in it...
I took my 993 (2-wheel drive) to Verbier and Tignes last year. Chains worked well on my 17" wheels, but a bit of a tight fit. Definitely not easy to fit, so practice before you set off. Without the chains it was completely different and felt twitchy at the first indication of snow/ice. Standard fit tyres. Since I head to the Alps every year I'd love to know how much difference a C4/C4S would make.
oops said:
I took my 993 (2-wheel drive) to Verbier and Tignes last year. Chains worked well on my 17" wheels, but a bit of a tight fit. Definitely not easy to fit, so practice before you set off. Without the chains it was completely different and felt twitchy at the first indication of snow/ice. Standard fit tyres. Since I head to the Alps every year I'd love to know how much difference a C4/C4S would make.
where did you get your chains, oops? I presume they are special low-profile ones??
Took my boxster S up the Arlberg pass last year (See my profile), packed snow and ice on the road throughout, an icerink.
What can I say.......
Going down hill I got no grip wahtsoever, the ass had a life of its own, and braking was something you want to anticipate.
Scary.
But fun.
Plus no chains available for 18", and summer tyres since living in Ireland, winter tyres are a waste of time.
>> Edited by Gulliver on Friday 25th February 20:31
cyberface said:
I took my 993 (2-wheel drive) to Verbier and Tignes last year. Chains worked well on my 17" wheels, but a bit of a tight fit. Definitely not easy to fit, so practice before you set off. Without the chains it was completely different and felt twitchy at the first indication of snow/ice. Standard fit tyres. Since I head to the Alps every year I'd love to know how much difference a C4/C4S would make.
where did you get your chains, oops? I presume they are special low-profile ones??
The cunningly-named www.snowchains.co.uk/ ! I can't remember details re. low-profile. I gave them my tyre and car details and they came up with something suitable.
You get the chains in the post, and can drop off on the way back from the Channel tunnel (if you're that-way bound).
i took my little 924S to the czech republic at new year when sking, loads of snow on the slopes and the roads, put on goodyear ultra grip winter tyres a few weeks before going....bloody fantastic grip, they have a herringbone tread and eat through the snow to get grip. ok its only a poxy 924S with lawnmower power but its all in the choice of tyres, they work well on cold wet roads too, ride abit spongy but will change them back in the spring to normal tyres.
all the other northern countries change to winter tyres, never understood why generally people don't here?
all the other northern countries change to winter tyres, never understood why generally people don't here?
Title of this topic made me think of a GT3rs racing in the belgian Rally championschip this year... It has factory backing and is prepared by specialist Future World...
Much cooler rallycar than a scooby-taxi with it's four cylinders!
Problem this weekend was the fact it ran on 18inch tyres in the snow because they couldn't fit smaller brakes... It finished 11th with Marc Duez at the wheel... Not so bad after all...
check it out...
www.autosport.be/shownews.awm?id=4662
(sorry for those who don't speak dutch... enjoy the picture is my advice ;-))
Much cooler rallycar than a scooby-taxi with it's four cylinders!
Problem this weekend was the fact it ran on 18inch tyres in the snow because they couldn't fit smaller brakes... It finished 11th with Marc Duez at the wheel... Not so bad after all...
check it out...
www.autosport.be/shownews.awm?id=4662
(sorry for those who don't speak dutch... enjoy the picture is my advice ;-))
ahh on the A23 blatters run sunday just gone,996tt going uphill is ahh just about ok if you keep it moving, downhill is ahhhh scary if other cars are stopped in front of you and going sidways and backwards is not nice.
very slidy. I had a micra flash me as I was going too slow in the snow up Ditchling beacon! he then tailgated me. Wheels were spinning then gripping almost 50% of the time going up.
Would not recommend a tt in the snow.
very slidy. I had a micra flash me as I was going too slow in the snow up Ditchling beacon! he then tailgated me. Wheels were spinning then gripping almost 50% of the time going up.
Would not recommend a tt in the snow.
The advantage of a porker in the snow consists of having the engine way back where the traction is. extra weight helps keeping the weels from spinning... And because there's enough torque... the power comes in a progressive way so... if you dose the right pedal in a good way you can dose your drifting...
oops said:
The cunningly-named www.snowchains.co.uk/ ! I can't remember details re. low-profile. I gave them my tyre and car details and they came up with something suitable.
You get the chains in the post, and can drop off on the way back from the Channel tunnel (if you're that-way bound).
Cheers mate, will check them out next time I drive down. Off back there this Weds but flying as it's only a short trip... (honestly, not cos I'm a wuss
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