Yobs named and shamed' - Clarke
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ananova said:
'Yobs named and shamed' - Clarke
Yobs who commit anti-social behaviour will face widespread naming and shaming, Home Secretary Charles Clarke is to warn.
He will remind people handed Anti-Social Behaviour Orders (Asbos) that their names and photographs can be published in newspapers and leaflets, and appear on TV and radio.
Mr Clarke will also publish new figures on the number of Asbos handed out as part of the government's crackdown on anti-social behaviour.
New guidance to local councils, police and prosecutors will set out when people given Asbos by the courts can be named and shamed.
"The guidance aims to raise awareness of the full force of an Asbo amongst the general public, who have an important role to play in enforcing the orders," said a Home Office spokesman.
"It will make clear to anti-social people that their personal details will be widely publicised in order to protect the community."
Under the Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003 the Press already has the power to name those handed Asbos.
Former Home Secretary David Blunkett said at the Labour conference in Brighton last September that he would make it harder for defendants to appeal for anonymity.
He indicated there may be guidance to judges and magistrates ordering them not to grant anonymity to perpetrators - something which he said he believed happened too frequently.
His successor will return to Brighton to announce the new guidelines.
Too right
lazyitus said:
Reminds me of a lad I used to work with who visited prostitutes regularly.
Ended up having his face spread across the Manchester Evening News after being caught out.
Problem was his family totally disowned him after this.
Its OK in some respects but maybe not in others?
That is shocking!!-is it legal?
ananova said:
He will remind people handed Anti-Social Behaviour Orders (Asbos) that their names and photographs can be published in newspapers and leaflets, and appear on TV and radio.
"The guidance aims to raise awareness of the full force of an Asbo amongst the general public, who have an important role to play in enforcing the orders," said a Home Office spokesman.
"It will make clear to anti-social people that their personal details will be widely publicised in order to protect the community."
Under the Anti-Social Behaviour Act 2003 the Press already has the power to name those handed Asbos.
Former Home Secretary David Blunkett said at the Labour conference in Brighton last September that he would make it harder for defendants to appeal for anonymity.
My main problem with the whole ASBO culture at the moment is the fact that it is being used to belittle criminal activity. To my way of thinking, anti-social behaviour is playing loud music late at night, hanging round in large groups etc, not shop lifting and fighting etc - These are criminal behaviours and should be treated as such - prison time, community service and so forth.
What he seems to be saying is that people should be named and shamed in order for us to do the job of the police and watch for lawbreakers. I am also doubtful as to the utility of naming and shaming anyway, no doubt it looks good in the Daily Mail but it doesn't work in the real world, apart from the fact that so many people are given so many ASBO's with different restrictions on them how are we supposed to keep up?
Another Labour attempt to get policing for free whilst making it look like they actually give a damn about law and order.
dick dastardly said:
Problem is though, scum have no shame.
This is effectively glorifying anti-social behaviour to the under classes.
Got to agree with you there. Just makes it a whole lot easier for them to impress their mates with how 'bad' they are
yup, exactly. shows how little our lords and masters understand the real world.
It's another difficult issue. And again it's another crude solution. I can see either of the above situation's happening, but I can't see a way that it would help reduce "anti-social behaviour". And how does the Government propose to reconcile the plan with their Human Rights Act or indeed Data Protection Act?
Should take a leaf out of some of the Asian countries books. They take the naming and shaming just that step further by making the offenders stand in a public place all day, sometimes wearing a notice that describes why they are there, sometimes with the charges read aloud.
Then again, that probably infringes their human rights
Put 'em in a shipping container for a week with no food and water. I reckon that will fix 'em.
Then again, that probably infringes their human rights
Put 'em in a shipping container for a week with no food and water. I reckon that will fix 'em.
neil.b said:
Should take a leaf out of some of the Asian countries books. They take the naming and shaming just that step further by making the offenders stand in a public place all day, sometimes wearing a notice that describes why they are there, sometimes with the charges read aloud.
Then again, that probably infringes their human rights
Put 'em in a shipping container for a week with no food and water. I reckon that will fix 'em.
Theres a county in Louisiana that does the same thing.
You have to stand at the busiest cross roads in town wearing a sandwich board that announces your crime.
Thats shame, what Clarke is describing is infamy (They've all got it infamy etc)
gang cultures in schools - what we're up against:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4305461.stm
the way these little thugs yomp around with their hoods up really annoys me; is it little wonder our old folk feel so intimdated by some aspects of st tony bliar's yoof culture?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/4305461.stm
the way these little thugs yomp around with their hoods up really annoys me; is it little wonder our old folk feel so intimdated by some aspects of st tony bliar's yoof culture?
lazyitus said:
That is shocking!!-is it legal?
What? Going with a Ho or putting the face on the paper?
Both actually-I was aware Kerb Crawling was regarded as an offence-but not visiting a prostitute as such.
As regards to putting his face in the paper-isn't that an invasion of privacy.
The trouble with ASBOs is that they are not CRIMINAL, they are issued under civil proceedings. I would hazard a guess that actions and directives obtained under a civil ORDER (note - not a crminal CONVICTION )subsequently resulting in an individual being "disgraced" in public might constitute a breach of basic human rights.
One of the main problems with ASBOs is that they are seen as a short cut by the autthorities who then do not bother trying to collect proper evidence against someone. Also, almost half ASBOs issued are nothing to do with "yob culture" - whatever that is. Camden Council used them to try and stop "fly posting" by local gig organisers. Fly posting is actually a criminal offence - but why bother launching criminal proceedings when you can get an ASBO much more quickly.
Illegal tipping has also been tackled under ASBOs.
We are in danger of being swamped by totally unecessary legislation. Most areas covered by ASBOs were already offences and could be prosecuted under either cexisting criminal or civil law. With ASBOs , no one has to bother doing the proper legal leg work any more.
One of the main problems with ASBOs is that they are seen as a short cut by the autthorities who then do not bother trying to collect proper evidence against someone. Also, almost half ASBOs issued are nothing to do with "yob culture" - whatever that is. Camden Council used them to try and stop "fly posting" by local gig organisers. Fly posting is actually a criminal offence - but why bother launching criminal proceedings when you can get an ASBO much more quickly.
Illegal tipping has also been tackled under ASBOs.
We are in danger of being swamped by totally unecessary legislation. Most areas covered by ASBOs were already offences and could be prosecuted under either cexisting criminal or civil law. With ASBOs , no one has to bother doing the proper legal leg work any more.
Can we get Clarke to the doctors and check him out. He must surely be an alien? Nobody in a position like that can be so far out of touch with reality surely? As for the yobs, the answer is simple, offense, court, conviction, foorball pitch, pre match entertainment damn good flogging, following week in the stocks in the market square, free rotten vegetables. Scrap asbos and save another forrest. Yet another buch of unhealthy, unhappy, civil servants free to buid much needed roads and get fit at the same time. 
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Next.... nonegreen said:
Can we get Clarke to the doctors and check him out. He must surely be an alien? Nobody in a position like that can be so far out of touch with reality surely? As for the yobs, the answer is simple, offense, court, conviction, foorball pitch, pre match entertainment damn good flogging, following week in the stocks in the market square, free rotten vegetables. Scrap asbos and save another forrest. Yet another buch of unhealthy, unhappy, civil servants free to buid much needed roads and get fit at the same time.
Speaking seriously I do believe that corporal punishment might well be the answer to these low level anti social crimes-the trouble is it would probable be illegal under the human rights act.
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