Changing from Moses basket to crib - he's not happy...
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My little fella (real name Felix, but makes lots of grunting noises so has become Piglet) has grown out of his Moses basket, so we've bought him a crib.
He's not feeling the love for the crib, put him in asleep, he wakes within 30 seconds and ramps up to full screaming. Otherwise he's a very contented little fella.
We're working on making it warm for him, and making the sheet smell of his mum and him.
Any other thoughts?
He's not feeling the love for the crib, put him in asleep, he wakes within 30 seconds and ramps up to full screaming. Otherwise he's a very contented little fella.
We're working on making it warm for him, and making the sheet smell of his mum and him.
Any other thoughts?
We had a lot of success with the hot water bottle to warm his cot, but have to say my boy (now 15 months) has been a good sleeper since we put him in the cot at 3 months. Our route for success has been:
Regular bath-time at 7pm every night
We don't faff about with the bath, 10 minutes absolute max, just helps establish the routine
Dressed in sleepsuit and a Grobag - we figured that he liked the confined space of his moses basket, a Grobag seemed to help continue this (just my speculation).
Enough milk for him to fall asleep on the boob or bottle. We alternated with my wife breastfeeding, or me giving breast milk from a bottle, he didn't seem fussed either way.
We also gave him a dropper of Infacol before his milk. This was advised by my brother, whose daughter suffered terribly with colic. I'll never know if it worked or was a total placebo, but we didn't have any colic grief that's for sure.
Giving him enough time ot get his wind up properly, and rocking him to sleep for five minutes in a cheapo nursery 'Glider' chair - from eBay, half hte price of the same at John Lewis and just as good quality.
Any teeth coming through? Bonjella helped us immensely, along with Teetha teething granules.
Lastly, a dummy to help him self-soothe to sleep.
I know the latter are a moot point, my wife was initially totally opposed to him having one, but I took the pragmatic view that if they were no good then there wouldn't be racks and racks of them in Mothercare, Boots etc. Throw a couple of nights solid sleep into the mix and she was sold!
We had a couple of weeks where he would go down to sleep them wake screaming after 30 mins, but he soon got into a routine.
Hope this helps.
Regular bath-time at 7pm every night
We don't faff about with the bath, 10 minutes absolute max, just helps establish the routine
Dressed in sleepsuit and a Grobag - we figured that he liked the confined space of his moses basket, a Grobag seemed to help continue this (just my speculation).
Enough milk for him to fall asleep on the boob or bottle. We alternated with my wife breastfeeding, or me giving breast milk from a bottle, he didn't seem fussed either way.
We also gave him a dropper of Infacol before his milk. This was advised by my brother, whose daughter suffered terribly with colic. I'll never know if it worked or was a total placebo, but we didn't have any colic grief that's for sure.
Giving him enough time ot get his wind up properly, and rocking him to sleep for five minutes in a cheapo nursery 'Glider' chair - from eBay, half hte price of the same at John Lewis and just as good quality.
Any teeth coming through? Bonjella helped us immensely, along with Teetha teething granules.
Lastly, a dummy to help him self-soothe to sleep.
I know the latter are a moot point, my wife was initially totally opposed to him having one, but I took the pragmatic view that if they were no good then there wouldn't be racks and racks of them in Mothercare, Boots etc. Throw a couple of nights solid sleep into the mix and she was sold!
We had a couple of weeks where he would go down to sleep them wake screaming after 30 mins, but he soon got into a routine.
Hope this helps.
How old is he?
He's most likely just not happy at the change in routine and will soon adjust.
Much like PurpleTurtle we have a set routine, bath, milk and bed for our 17 month old that he has been in from a few weeks old.
He went into his cot bed at around 3 months, he really didn't get on with a moses basket so he slept for the first few months in the flat pram attachment for his buggy!
The only thing I'd change from PT's routine is letting them fall asleep whilst having their milk, you'll soon want to drop the milk at bed and it'll be harder to break the relationship of milk = sleep, all imo anyway.
We bath, dress, milk, book on our lap then into bed in a gro bag to self settle and asleep by 7. Little bugger is up at 5.30 every day though!
He's most likely just not happy at the change in routine and will soon adjust.
Much like PurpleTurtle we have a set routine, bath, milk and bed for our 17 month old that he has been in from a few weeks old.
He went into his cot bed at around 3 months, he really didn't get on with a moses basket so he slept for the first few months in the flat pram attachment for his buggy!
The only thing I'd change from PT's routine is letting them fall asleep whilst having their milk, you'll soon want to drop the milk at bed and it'll be harder to break the relationship of milk = sleep, all imo anyway.
We bath, dress, milk, book on our lap then into bed in a gro bag to self settle and asleep by 7. Little bugger is up at 5.30 every day though!
Thank you.
He's 6 1/2 months since birth, but was 9 weeks early, so corrected he's 4 1/2 months.
He currently feeds about 15 times a day, particularly he goes hourly from about 5pm to midnight.
What do you do when you put them to bed at 7pm? Leave them on their own in a bedroom? Of have them with you in the sitting room? Or in the Kitchen?
If we tried to put Piglet to bed at 7pm, he'd last about 1 minute.
He's 6 1/2 months since birth, but was 9 weeks early, so corrected he's 4 1/2 months.
He currently feeds about 15 times a day, particularly he goes hourly from about 5pm to midnight.
What do you do when you put them to bed at 7pm? Leave them on their own in a bedroom? Of have them with you in the sitting room? Or in the Kitchen?
If we tried to put Piglet to bed at 7pm, he'd last about 1 minute.
15 times a day?!
I know they're all different but that is a lot, 5-6 (adj) months is probably when you want to start weening him onto some solids and therefore eating every 2-3hrs ish.
It's hard to remember exactly but at 6/7 months we were feeding / sleeping as follows:
0600 - 6oz milk (formula as wife breast feed until he was 7 months)
0700 - baby rice / porridge
0800 - nap for 1 hr
0930 - yoghurt or mashed banana
1200 - veg puree with chicken or salmon, 4oz of milk before nap
1230 - nap for 1.5hrs
1400 - 4oz milk
1600 - veg puree and fruit pot / yoghurt
1745 - bath, 4oz milk then asleep by 1830
2130 - wake him up for 4oz milk
By 9-12 months it was more like:
0600 - 5oz milk (formula)
0700 - porridge or hot weetabix
0800 - nap for 1 hr
0930 - yoghurt or mashed banana
1200 - puree with chicken or salmon
1230 - nap for 1.5hrs
1400 - snack like raisins or baby biscuit
1600 - puree and fruit pot / yoghurt
1745 - bath, 4oz milk then asleep by 1830
No wake up for milk at 2130
Now at 17 months:
0600 - 5oz milk (formula)
0700 - hot weetabix and a piece of toast or a brioche roll
0800 - nap for 45 mins
0930 - yoghurt or mashed banana
1200 - pasta, lasagne, curry or whatever leftovers we have portioned up
1230 - nap for 1hr
1400 - snack like raisins or baby biscuit
1600 - tea as lunch and fruit pot / yoghurt
1800 - bath, 4oz milk then asleep by 1900
We have always put him down to sleep awake other than the odd time he has conked out shortly after milk and a quick cuddle. We wanted to establish that routine quite early and get him into the idea of falling asleep on his own not relying on being rocked, cuddled or anything else. Seems harsh but we very fairly (cursed it now!) have nights where he won't settle and other than teething or colds he sleeps through.
The above works for us as I am up at 0600 for work anyway, so I think he has just fallen into that routine of me being awake, getting him out of bed and giving him his milk. The 2 days a week that the wife works she alaso needs to be up at 0600 to get her and him ready to leave by 0745 for work / nursery. I am home at 1600ish so get to give tea, then bath, being asleep by 1900 gives us time to cook tea, sit down and relax or in reality, cook tea, rush eating, get everything ready for the next day and sit down at 2100 for an hour!
As I said they are all different and everyone has different routines, a theory is that you have until around 18 months old to form routines and break bad habits, after that they become much more aware of their actions and it's harder to break the habits, i.e. bringing them in to sleep with you, feeding 2 or 3 times a night still etc. All things which parents in the wifes group are still going through with 16/17 month olds.
I know they're all different but that is a lot, 5-6 (adj) months is probably when you want to start weening him onto some solids and therefore eating every 2-3hrs ish.
It's hard to remember exactly but at 6/7 months we were feeding / sleeping as follows:
0600 - 6oz milk (formula as wife breast feed until he was 7 months)
0700 - baby rice / porridge
0800 - nap for 1 hr
0930 - yoghurt or mashed banana
1200 - veg puree with chicken or salmon, 4oz of milk before nap
1230 - nap for 1.5hrs
1400 - 4oz milk
1600 - veg puree and fruit pot / yoghurt
1745 - bath, 4oz milk then asleep by 1830
2130 - wake him up for 4oz milk
By 9-12 months it was more like:
0600 - 5oz milk (formula)
0700 - porridge or hot weetabix
0800 - nap for 1 hr
0930 - yoghurt or mashed banana
1200 - puree with chicken or salmon
1230 - nap for 1.5hrs
1400 - snack like raisins or baby biscuit
1600 - puree and fruit pot / yoghurt
1745 - bath, 4oz milk then asleep by 1830
No wake up for milk at 2130
Now at 17 months:
0600 - 5oz milk (formula)
0700 - hot weetabix and a piece of toast or a brioche roll
0800 - nap for 45 mins
0930 - yoghurt or mashed banana
1200 - pasta, lasagne, curry or whatever leftovers we have portioned up
1230 - nap for 1hr
1400 - snack like raisins or baby biscuit
1600 - tea as lunch and fruit pot / yoghurt
1800 - bath, 4oz milk then asleep by 1900
We have always put him down to sleep awake other than the odd time he has conked out shortly after milk and a quick cuddle. We wanted to establish that routine quite early and get him into the idea of falling asleep on his own not relying on being rocked, cuddled or anything else. Seems harsh but we very fairly (cursed it now!) have nights where he won't settle and other than teething or colds he sleeps through.
The above works for us as I am up at 0600 for work anyway, so I think he has just fallen into that routine of me being awake, getting him out of bed and giving him his milk. The 2 days a week that the wife works she alaso needs to be up at 0600 to get her and him ready to leave by 0745 for work / nursery. I am home at 1600ish so get to give tea, then bath, being asleep by 1900 gives us time to cook tea, sit down and relax or in reality, cook tea, rush eating, get everything ready for the next day and sit down at 2100 for an hour!
As I said they are all different and everyone has different routines, a theory is that you have until around 18 months old to form routines and break bad habits, after that they become much more aware of their actions and it's harder to break the habits, i.e. bringing them in to sleep with you, feeding 2 or 3 times a night still etc. All things which parents in the wifes group are still going through with 16/17 month olds.
My wife b/f so also demand fed but you have to draw the line and start balancing it out when you are feeding more than once a hr when he is awake, that's just not sustainable.
Is your wife's supply good?
We're crossing some boundaries here I know but mine came to the realisation that her supply was waining and a switch to formula was the best for both. It was hard for her, harder than she expected I think but simply he was not getting enough from her anymore.
Is your wife's supply good?
We're crossing some boundaries here I know but mine came to the realisation that her supply was waining and a switch to formula was the best for both. It was hard for her, harder than she expected I think but simply he was not getting enough from her anymore.
Not sure if you said how old he is, but I'd put him in his cot awake, and let him grumble a bit, then go and settle.
Worked for our now 6th month old, by 7pm she's yawning and rubbing her eyes, and goes in her cot and off to sleep with no fuss, often without a proper wake up til next morning.
Worked for our now 6th month old, by 7pm she's yawning and rubbing her eyes, and goes in her cot and off to sleep with no fuss, often without a proper wake up til next morning.
Huntsman said:
Thank you.
What do you do when you put them to bed at 7pm? Leave them on their own in a bedroom? Of have them with you in the sitting room? Or in the Kitchen?
Our routine was after bath, no coming downstairs (even at 3 months), straight into their room, milk, story, bed.What do you do when you put them to bed at 7pm? Leave them on their own in a bedroom? Of have them with you in the sitting room? Or in the Kitchen?
Even if they woke and cried during the night, they never came out of their room, just fed / cuddled in their room.
We figured if they came out of their room they would quickly learn that something much more exiting was going on elsewhere in the house.
Huntsman said:
Matt_N said:
15 times a day?!
Yeah. He's demand feeding, we are aware that its a lot, but we feel its natures way, he feeds when he wants, not to a schedule defined by us.Babies of that age have no real sense of time of day, to him he's either hungry or not, and doesn't give a toss that he's taking up all of your evening, that's why there are so many advocates of establishing a routine.
My best pal told me when I became a Dad that people would be falling over themselves to give you well-meaning advice, and that we should ignore it and just do our own thing. That was at the back of my mind when my wife's rather know-it-all friend popped in with a copy of this book. However, after putting what it says into practice I had to reluctantly concede that we soon had a good sleeping baby. So, mindful of my pal's advice, I'm sharing the love of that here, deffo worth a read!
http://www.lionhudson.com/display.asp?K=9780745955...
on the sleeping front, if he still fits, have you tried putting in the moses basket and then put both in his crib. It might give him a chance to get familiar with the surroundings whilst still in the moses basket.
Less of a sudden change, just a thought.
Also what about a soft toy, does he have something in the moses basket every time he goes to sleep or cuddles ? I'm sure you've tried that aswell.
good luck.
Less of a sudden change, just a thought.
Also what about a soft toy, does he have something in the moses basket every time he goes to sleep or cuddles ? I'm sure you've tried that aswell.
good luck.
A set routine is absolutely critical.....every "help" book I have seen focuses on this. My little one is now 12 (years !), and routine is still critical, though it s more about homework time and "screen" time these days. He still has his own routine for bedtime.
Can't help but think that a combination of routine and reviewing the demand feeding as you move to weening will help.
....& yes, just put them to bed in their room @ 7pm (or whatever time you work out in the routine).....and when they cry, don't jump up and run to them immediately. You know their cry, and will know if it's anything serious to run in for.
Can't help but think that a combination of routine and reviewing the demand feeding as you move to weening will help.
....& yes, just put them to bed in their room @ 7pm (or whatever time you work out in the routine).....and when they cry, don't jump up and run to them immediately. You know their cry, and will know if it's anything serious to run in for.
Steve Campbell said:
....& yes, just put them to bed in their room @ 7pm (or whatever time you work out in the routine).....and when they cry, don't jump up and run to them immediately. You know their cry, and will know if it's anything serious to run in for.
In another room? On their own? At 6 months?reggiedamole said:
Hi
Get a Gro-bag if you haven't already - they are great for making them feel secure even thought outlying environment space has increased they don't feel it. Best things we ever got for sleep sanity!
Won't he be too hot?Get a Gro-bag if you haven't already - they are great for making them feel secure even thought outlying environment space has increased they don't feel it. Best things we ever got for sleep sanity!
Grow bags come in different tog ratings, we use a 0.5 in the summer which is just a thin cotton one and then a 1.2 or 1.5 in winter.
You layer the baby up according to the ambient temperature, so at the moment ours is going to bed in either a long or short sleeve baby grow and his 0.5.
In winter he goes in with full pyjamas or a full sleep suit.
We also keep the wireless thermostat in his room so the temperature is atleast maintained for him, we have it set to 18c over night (20c up till 2200hrs) during winter but it rarely kicks in.
You seem to be worrying a lot about how they'll do in their own room, if they'll be too hot or too cold. I fully understand your aprehensions but you do need to start getting on track with some routine and habit breaking or you'll be having a 3 year old in bed with you every night before you know it.
You layer the baby up according to the ambient temperature, so at the moment ours is going to bed in either a long or short sleeve baby grow and his 0.5.
In winter he goes in with full pyjamas or a full sleep suit.
We also keep the wireless thermostat in his room so the temperature is atleast maintained for him, we have it set to 18c over night (20c up till 2200hrs) during winter but it rarely kicks in.
You seem to be worrying a lot about how they'll do in their own room, if they'll be too hot or too cold. I fully understand your aprehensions but you do need to start getting on track with some routine and habit breaking or you'll be having a 3 year old in bed with you every night before you know it.
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