Can seat belts be re-tensioned?
Can seat belts be re-tensioned?
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Aussie John

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1,021 posts

254 months

Thursday 14th July 2016
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Belts are not retracting; can you re-tension or are new belts needed?

blitzracing

6,418 posts

243 months

Thursday 14th July 2016
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The only way I can think you could do this is if you could pull the belt out from the hub until it has more tension to wind back, then wind the belt back around the hub by hand until its back in its correct position with the extra tension- but I dont know if the hub construction will let you do this however. You will loose total seat belt length in the process as I think there is an end stop on the hub rotation you cant go beyond. Not normally a problem however unless you are Professor klump.

bobfather

11,194 posts

278 months

Thursday 14th July 2016
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The unwillingness to rewind can be other things. The obvious one is that the seat back is trapping the belt. Less obvious is that the belt can be in contact with the carpet from the top hook all the way down to the reel. This adds frictional resistance that when added to an old band spring will slowly lose the ability to overcome the friction. Try sliding a sheet of plastic or other low friction material between belt and carpet to see if that solves the problem

bobfather

11,194 posts

278 months

Thursday 14th July 2016
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This was my solution

Keep it off the carpet. I can't recall the regulation but the material and sizing of this bracket meets requirements



and I added some guides to help with access



Edited by bobfather on Thursday 14th July 16:50

simonwedge

756 posts

203 months

Thursday 14th July 2016
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I've heard that if you pull the belt all the way out and spray it with silicone spray it can make a big difference.

Aussie John

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1,021 posts

254 months

Friday 15th July 2016
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Thanks for all the advice guys, I'll try a fix this weekend.

FoxTVR430

452 posts

134 months

Friday 15th July 2016
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bobfather said:
This was my solution

Keep it off the carpet. I can't recall the regulation but the material and sizing of this bracket meets requirements



and I added some guides to help with access



Edited by bobfather on Thursday 14th July 16:50
Hi Bobfather, did you make these brackets yourself, or did you buy them? As I would be interested in a pair. smile

bobfather

11,194 posts

278 months

Friday 15th July 2016
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FoxTVR430 said:
Hi Bobfather, did you make these brackets yourself, or did you buy them? As I would be interested in a pair. smile
I made them, I had access to a laser cutter in a previous job. I found the UK vehicle manufactures regs on line and followed that. If I recall correctly it asked for a minimum 4mm steel plate with high tensile UNF bolts, I used stainless steel. Basically, if you don't change the fixing points and leave all the angles of force the same then as long as the material is the same or better than the existing bracket you'll be okay. The bend in my extension plate is there to maintain the force angle

steveo3002

11,060 posts

197 months

Friday 15th July 2016
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remove the belt reel and give it a good hoover /blast with an airline with the belt pulled all the way out , then pledge the belt and the buckles it slides through , its often just dust and grime making them slow

if that fails theres places that refurb seatbelts , im sure they could fit a fresh spring

sgrimshaw

7,572 posts

273 months

Friday 15th July 2016
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IIRC the replacements are Securon 500/30's, only £43 inc VAT in Black ... £54 for colours.

http://www.rimmerbros.co.uk/Item--i-XKC2528STYLE

Might be easier to simply replace than try to fix.

Aussie John

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1,021 posts

254 months

Friday 15th July 2016
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Thanks Simon, filed this for future reference, cheers, John.

phillpot

17,456 posts

206 months

Friday 15th July 2016
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sgrimshaw said:
IIRC the replacements are Securon 500/30's, only £43 inc VAT in Black ... £54 for colours.
Shop around ... wink

sgrimshaw

7,572 posts

273 months

Friday 15th July 2016
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phillpot said:
sgrimshaw said:
IIRC the replacements are Securon 500/30's, only £43 inc VAT in Black ... £54 for colours.
Shop around ... wink
eBay is not my first stop when looking for car parts, especially when they're safety related wink

ray von

2,944 posts

275 months

Friday 15th July 2016
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Aussie John said:
Thanks Simon, filed this for future reference, cheers, John.
Everyone has an opinion and mine is the 500/30 are not the correct belts for these cars. The stalk is far too long. You may get away with it if you are of a larger disposition or you have the seat pulled forward. However put the seats back and be of slim build and the buckle ends up near your belly button. All just my opinion of course but I wouldn't be fitting them. I sent mine to FDTS and it came back all lovely with all my hardware swapped and a new retractor.
The securon ones look cheap and nasty, but each to their own.

phillpot

17,456 posts

206 months

Friday 15th July 2016
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sgrimshaw said:
eBay is not my first stop when looking for car parts, especially when they're safety related wink
Each to their own but there are now many very reputable suppliers using Ebay, selling good quality new stock.


Caution is always advisable but with that particular seller having sold nearly 500 of them and offering the full range of sizes I'd be pretty confident they're not just clearing out a bit of "fire damaged" old stock they've picked up at an auction smile

Belle427

11,324 posts

256 months

Friday 15th July 2016
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Check your seat isn't pushed hard up against the belt hindering its operation.

Aussie John

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1,021 posts

254 months

Thursday 4th August 2016
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Pretty much solved the problem, pulled out the belt from the tensioning unit and rewound the spring, then made up some brackets to hold the belt away from the carpet [ Thanks Bob!] The belts are now good [maybe not as good as new ones but very usable; thanks to all those who put up ideas, cheers, John.

Discopotatoes

4,101 posts

244 months

Thursday 4th August 2016
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bobfather said:
FoxTVR430 said:
Hi Bobfather, did you make these brackets yourself, or did you buy them? As I would be interested in a pair. smile
I made them, I had access to a laser cutter in a previous job. I found the UK vehicle manufactures regs on line and followed that. If I recall correctly it asked for a minimum 4mm steel plate with high tensile UNF bolts, I used stainless steel. Basically, if you don't change the fixing points and leave all the angles of force the same then as long as the material is the same or better than the existing bracket you'll be okay. The bend in my extension plate is there to maintain the force angle
all lovely and nice, then its bolted into GRP lol


bobfather

11,194 posts

278 months

Thursday 4th August 2016
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Discopotatoes said:
all lovely and nice, then its bolted into GRP lol
That is very much the issue. It is imperative that the angle of force is maintained. If this extender bracket acts with any leverage on the GRP top mount it has the potential to break out

phillpot

17,456 posts

206 months

Thursday 4th August 2016
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bobfather said:
If this extender bracket acts with any leverage on the GRP top mount it has the potential to break out
If the Chimaera is anything like the older S series that top mount is welded to something like a quarter circle of steel bonded into the arc of the wheelarch.