570 / 650 or 12c
Discussion
I went through this in Feb this year and came to the conclusion that, limited edition models aside, the 12C has basically done it's depreciation now and won't go down any more.
At the time, lowest trade bid on a reasonably specc'd 12C coupe was £95/100k and retail was £115-130 - obviously mileage and spec determining where you are in that spread.
I bought mine for £115k and it's definitely still worth that retail even with 3,000 more miles on it. My other thought was that the 675 and 570 model launches will bring a huge amount of awareness to the brand and new buyers with it. Some of those buyers will look at the 570, spec it up, realise it's a £170k car and think "I would rather have a Super series". Some will come in just thinking I've got £120k and I can get into a 12C, which is still a monstrously fast car, faster than a 570 and up there with the latest and greatest Ferrari V8.
So I'd see the 12C as a pretty safe place to put your money. Spider safest of all, as there are so few.
At the time, lowest trade bid on a reasonably specc'd 12C coupe was £95/100k and retail was £115-130 - obviously mileage and spec determining where you are in that spread.
I bought mine for £115k and it's definitely still worth that retail even with 3,000 more miles on it. My other thought was that the 675 and 570 model launches will bring a huge amount of awareness to the brand and new buyers with it. Some of those buyers will look at the 570, spec it up, realise it's a £170k car and think "I would rather have a Super series". Some will come in just thinking I've got £120k and I can get into a 12C, which is still a monstrously fast car, faster than a 570 and up there with the latest and greatest Ferrari V8.
So I'd see the 12C as a pretty safe place to put your money. Spider safest of all, as there are so few.
12c super safe. It'll keep 650 values propped up too. Next P14 model is expected to be a lot more expensive than a 650 is today so a 650 at 175k could be considered great value in just a couple of years. I would. It get a 570 as you're sure to take a depreciation hit, plus - as good as it is, it's being pitched as the entry level model
Agree with both of above, the 12C has probably done all depreciating it will do and is a tad faster and more exotic than 570s, which by the way is an amazing car but will depreciate a little over time as the 12C / 650S did. Budget aside its down to aesthetic preferences with the 12C & 650S. I have a McLaren Owners Group buyers guide for the super series if you PM me I will send to you.
12C is the current entry price into McLaren and as such not only the cheapest but probably safest if the investment/return side is important to you.
As others have said before the 1st and/or 2nd owners have taken the major hit on depreciation and having bottomed out the prices of 12C seem to be stable if not actually rising now. I can only see that trend continuing due to the increasing demand ( people realising how good they actually are finally and based on the fantastic value for money they represent in comparison to say a Ferrari (F430) or Lamborghini (LP560) equivalent.) and the lack of supply and finite number in the UK.
Lots of people have bought them recently and judging by their early thoughts/reviews its unlikely that many of them will reappear in the near future
As good as the 12C is personally I think the 650S is the better overall car having improved on a lot of the criticisms the 12c had initially.
Looks are subjective but personally I love the P1 inspired front on 650S as well as the improved feel/excitement/sound of the car.
Objectively the biggest performance difference is the massive increase in torque 78 Nm and the way its delivered across the rev band
12C will always prop up 650S IMHO and there are slightly less 650s in the UK so if you have the budget and prefer the looks you may find the 650S the better bet.
I must admit I didn't look at it that way when I bought my 650S new as I bought what I thought was the better drivers car and was prepared to lose a little more as the 1st and only owner.
Having taken the initial first year hit 650S prices seem to have found their level and I'm more than happy with that. I expect year 2 and 3 to be far less and long term 5+ negiligible
As others have said before the 1st and/or 2nd owners have taken the major hit on depreciation and having bottomed out the prices of 12C seem to be stable if not actually rising now. I can only see that trend continuing due to the increasing demand ( people realising how good they actually are finally and based on the fantastic value for money they represent in comparison to say a Ferrari (F430) or Lamborghini (LP560) equivalent.) and the lack of supply and finite number in the UK.
Lots of people have bought them recently and judging by their early thoughts/reviews its unlikely that many of them will reappear in the near future
As good as the 12C is personally I think the 650S is the better overall car having improved on a lot of the criticisms the 12c had initially.
Looks are subjective but personally I love the P1 inspired front on 650S as well as the improved feel/excitement/sound of the car.
Objectively the biggest performance difference is the massive increase in torque 78 Nm and the way its delivered across the rev band
12C will always prop up 650S IMHO and there are slightly less 650s in the UK so if you have the budget and prefer the looks you may find the 650S the better bet.
I must admit I didn't look at it that way when I bought my 650S new as I bought what I thought was the better drivers car and was prepared to lose a little more as the 1st and only owner.
Having taken the initial first year hit 650S prices seem to have found their level and I'm more than happy with that. I expect year 2 and 3 to be far less and long term 5+ negiligible
At the end of the day all posts on here talking about prices going up and down is nothing but speculation. I have been watching prices of Mclaren's over the past 6 months and the 12c has certainly gone up by around 10% and the convertibles have gone through the roof as there are not many around.
The 650s have dropped significantly over the past few months in fact I have seen some main dealer cars drop by £10k in a matter of a few weeks!
The 570s are new so holding up well but as deliveries increase and people decide to move them on the prices will begin to fall and once these fall the 12c which is now beginning to feel dated IMHO will fall again which will bring the 650S prices down too. The 570S convertible is on the way too which will help bring down the 570s prices.
As I said all the above is speculation and all IMHO - what happens in reality is anyone's guess.
At this stage in your position I would be going for a 650S spider if you can reach for one as I think it's the best out of this lot.
This is interesting! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFvj6g5IR5U
The same chap went and bought a 675LT 6 months after making this video but when it comes to values we all know how crazy 675LT prices are! I was speaking to David at Mclaren Ascot this weekend and he told me how Mclaren f
ked up with the 675LT giving the car's to anyone who walked in with money! They will now only give out the special edition car's to Mclaren owners who have invested in the brand - a bit like Porsche and Ferrari do with their special edition models. This may even make the special edition Mclaren's worth more!
The 650s have dropped significantly over the past few months in fact I have seen some main dealer cars drop by £10k in a matter of a few weeks!
The 570s are new so holding up well but as deliveries increase and people decide to move them on the prices will begin to fall and once these fall the 12c which is now beginning to feel dated IMHO will fall again which will bring the 650S prices down too. The 570S convertible is on the way too which will help bring down the 570s prices.
As I said all the above is speculation and all IMHO - what happens in reality is anyone's guess.
At this stage in your position I would be going for a 650S spider if you can reach for one as I think it's the best out of this lot.
This is interesting! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFvj6g5IR5U
The same chap went and bought a 675LT 6 months after making this video but when it comes to values we all know how crazy 675LT prices are! I was speaking to David at Mclaren Ascot this weekend and he told me how Mclaren f
ked up with the 675LT giving the car's to anyone who walked in with money! They will now only give out the special edition car's to Mclaren owners who have invested in the brand - a bit like Porsche and Ferrari do with their special edition models. This may even make the special edition Mclaren's worth more! Edited by 458man on Monday 1st August 11:35
458man said:
At the end of the day all posts on here talking about prices going up and down is nothing but speculation. I have been watching prices of Mclaren's over the past 6 months and the 12c has certainly gone up by around 10% and the convertibles have gone through the roof as there are not many around.
The 650s have dropped significantly over the past few months in fact I have seen some main dealer cars drop by £10k in a matter of a few weeks!
The 570s are new so holding up well but as deliveries increase and people decide to move them on the prices will begin to fall and once these fall the 12c which is now beginning to feel dated IMHO will fall again which will bring the 650S prices down too. The 570S convertible is on the way too which will help bring down the 570s prices.
As I said all the above is speculation and all IMHO - what happens in reality is anyone's guess.
At this stage in your position I would be going for a 650S spider if you can reach for one as I think it's the best out of this lot.
This is interesting! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFvj6g5IR5U
The 650s have dropped significantly over the past few months in fact I have seen some main dealer cars drop by £10k in a matter of a few weeks!
The 570s are new so holding up well but as deliveries increase and people decide to move them on the prices will begin to fall and once these fall the 12c which is now beginning to feel dated IMHO will fall again which will bring the 650S prices down too. The 570S convertible is on the way too which will help bring down the 570s prices.
As I said all the above is speculation and all IMHO - what happens in reality is anyone's guess.
At this stage in your position I would be going for a 650S spider if you can reach for one as I think it's the best out of this lot.
This is interesting! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFvj6g5IR5U
The Golden Juicey says "the 650s is more exciting than a 458".
At least you are now coming around to the fact that a used 650S spider is THE car to have.
Cars are selling fast and I don't see these £10k drops you are going on about
RamboLambo said:
458man said:
At the end of the day all posts on here talking about prices going up and down is nothing but speculation. I have been watching prices of Mclaren's over the past 6 months and the 12c has certainly gone up by around 10% and the convertibles have gone through the roof as there are not many around.
The 650s have dropped significantly over the past few months in fact I have seen some main dealer cars drop by £10k in a matter of a few weeks!
The 570s are new so holding up well but as deliveries increase and people decide to move them on the prices will begin to fall and once these fall the 12c which is now beginning to feel dated IMHO will fall again which will bring the 650S prices down too. The 570S convertible is on the way too which will help bring down the 570s prices.
As I said all the above is speculation and all IMHO - what happens in reality is anyone's guess.
At this stage in your position I would be going for a 650S spider if you can reach for one as I think it's the best out of this lot.
This is interesting! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFvj6g5IR5U
The 650s have dropped significantly over the past few months in fact I have seen some main dealer cars drop by £10k in a matter of a few weeks!
The 570s are new so holding up well but as deliveries increase and people decide to move them on the prices will begin to fall and once these fall the 12c which is now beginning to feel dated IMHO will fall again which will bring the 650S prices down too. The 570S convertible is on the way too which will help bring down the 570s prices.
As I said all the above is speculation and all IMHO - what happens in reality is anyone's guess.
At this stage in your position I would be going for a 650S spider if you can reach for one as I think it's the best out of this lot.
This is interesting! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFvj6g5IR5U
The Golden Juicey says "the 650s is more exciting than a 458".
At least you are now coming around to the fact that a used 650S spider is THE car to have.
Cars are selling fast and I don't see these £10k drops you are going on about
After my visit to Ascot this weekend and a chat with the folks there it was clear that Mclaren appreciate that there is a lot of work to be done to reach "Ferrari standards" in terms of aftercare and finance. These are not my words but theirs! It's still a new brand who are learning the ways (again their words not mine!) - my previous post mentioned how they f
ked up with selling the 675LT to anyone who walked in with the cash. I also wonder about the quality on these cars too as there was a 650S with a panel that seemed to have just fallen off (when I asked what happened I was told they are awaiting some rivets for the panel to go back on but there was no sign of accident damage , another 12C that had a bonnet badge which was losing lacquer and a used 650S where the alcantara was quite fked up inside. No doubt it's a very exciting brand but they are still on a learning curve and I think the future is bright (probably orange or mantis green
) breadvan said:
Roger Irrelevant fact:
The earliest 12C was released the year after the current 5 series was launched.
Pretty amazing really......
As you were.
Timely post since your old/my current car is about to be listed for sale on PH...when the advert facility is back up! The earliest 12C was released the year after the current 5 series was launched.
Pretty amazing really......
As you were.
Doesn't look dated to me??
Sarnie said:
breadvan said:
Roger Irrelevant fact:
The earliest 12C was released the year after the current 5 series was launched.
Pretty amazing really......
As you were.
Timely post since your old/my current car is about to be listed for sale on PH...when the advert facility is back up! The earliest 12C was released the year after the current 5 series was launched.
Pretty amazing really......
As you were.
Doesn't look dated to me??
It does look nice but when you see it standing next to a 650S the age becomes apparent from the front angle at least! Still a nice car don't get me wrong....looks ravishing in that orange - in fact drop me a PM once advertised as a friend is looking for one in that specific colour!
Oh and the 5 series does look s
te in front of the new E Class 
Edited by 458man on Monday 1st August 14:12
458man said:
You are not looking hard enough then as the MSO Amethyst Black car at Mclaren London has just been dropped by £10k and it was this car I went to Ascot to enquire about as it was showing available at Ascot on their website but the bloody car was in London so could not view it this weekend. PS - just to clear your misconceptions - I went to take a closer look at the 650S at Ascot but not to replace my 458 but to buy the 650S as an additional car. The 458 is the last of the naturally aspirated V8s and I would be a fool to let this one go.
After my visit to Ascot this weekend and a chat with the folks there it was clear that Mclaren appreciate that there is a lot of work to be done to reach "Ferrari standards" in terms of aftercare and finance. These are not my words but theirs! It's still a new brand who are learning the ways (again their words not mine!) - my previous post mentioned how they fked up with selling the 675LT to anyone who walked in with the cash. I also wonder about the quality on these cars too as there was a 650S with a panel that seemed to have just fallen off (when I asked what happened I was told they are awaiting some rivets for the panel to go back on but there was no sign of accident damage , another 12C that had a bonnet badge which was losing lacquer and a used 650S where the alcantara was quite fked up inside.
No doubt it's a very exciting brand but they are still on a learning curve and I think the future is bright (probably orange or mantis green )
Good luck joining the club.After my visit to Ascot this weekend and a chat with the folks there it was clear that Mclaren appreciate that there is a lot of work to be done to reach "Ferrari standards" in terms of aftercare and finance. These are not my words but theirs! It's still a new brand who are learning the ways (again their words not mine!) - my previous post mentioned how they f
ked up with selling the 675LT to anyone who walked in with the cash. I also wonder about the quality on these cars too as there was a 650S with a panel that seemed to have just fallen off (when I asked what happened I was told they are awaiting some rivets for the panel to go back on but there was no sign of accident damage , another 12C that had a bonnet badge which was losing lacquer and a used 650S where the alcantara was quite fked up inside. No doubt it's a very exciting brand but they are still on a learning curve and I think the future is bright (probably orange or mantis green
) In my experience the quality of Mclarens versus any of the Ferrari's Ive owned is far far superior.
458's are an improvement over F430 but still feel a little fragile IMHO
The 650S spider feels really solid with the carbon tub and the materials and switchgear in the cabin are fantastic quality.
I don't think your experience is typical of the brand in that respect
Sarnie said:
breadvan said:
Roger Irrelevant fact:
The earliest 12C was released the year after the current 5 series was launched.
Pretty amazing really......
As you were.
Timely post since your old/my current car is about to be listed for sale on PH...when the advert facility is back up! The earliest 12C was released the year after the current 5 series was launched.
Pretty amazing really......
As you were.
Doesn't look dated to me??
Loving the wheels, good luck with the sale.
Haven't driven a 12C (which I think is the best looking of the bunch) but I have driven the 650S and now the 570S. The 650S really is much better. In the 570S you notice the fact that it doesn't have the interconnected suspension, and an extra ~60hp is always welcome. The MonoCell 2 is a fair bit easier to get in and out of though.
SlartiF430 said:
Vee12V said:
Exactly. 12C front looks a lot better.
Totally subjective. I found myself parking my 12c face in as I preferred it from behind (oooerrr matron!)Gassing Station | McLaren | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff