718 PCM Nav retro-fit possible?

[ONtheROCS]

I have always been a firm believer in spec'ing a car for yourself rather than resale which is often banded about but it would appear that this needs to be taken into consideration with Porsche.

In-car Nav has never really interested me as it's expensive and usually outdated and inferior to a free/low cost smartphone app solution or stand-alone TomTom type device. I recently had experience of having to rely on in-car satnav and quite frankly it was very poor. We ended up buying a two quid AA road atlas as the satnav insisted on taking us on the most ridiculous routes and roads that quite frankly weren't suitable for any car (Lake district - beautiful place but some terrible roads).

I appreciate that the 718 is new and perhaps the answer is not yet known but would anyone like to offer an opinion as to whether the PCM Nav could be retro-fitted so that if I didn't spec it, it could be added for the same cost (or slight err, dealer premium) by a prospective next owner? At £1052, it's not as expensive as some e.g. BMW and Audi but it's still a fair chunk of change that could be better used elsewhere as I don't really need it as I tend to know where I'm going and for the few occasions that I would need satnav i.e. for the last 10 mins of a journey to find a postcode, I can use my smartphone etc. I also don't have an Apple device so Connect is of no interest unless they start supporting Android.

Was this a consideration with previous generations or did people just spec it regardless? I have read that PCM was essential for resale but was that because it was the only way to get Bluetooth connection with your phone etc.?

[Digitalize]

Generally, the list cost is roughly the cost of buying the parts, and then you need to factor in a fair bit of labour depending on how hard it is/what actually needs to be retrofitted and where. If modules need to be added in the boot, wires run etc, it can quickly get very expensive. It also requires them pulling the car apart. Coding the car to get it to all work can often take longer than you'd think too.

You never really see it happen because the cost is so inhibitive.

[ONtheROCS]

I know what you mean. However, I would have thought that most of the hardware is already there. GPS receivers cost pennies and cabling and antenna etc. are usually fitted as part of a standard wiring loom but I might be wrong.

I once had to get VW to code my steering wheel controls for Bluetooth. Apparently it is a 2 minute job according to the folks that had done it themselves. The dealer wouldn't give me a cost but said if it takes 2 minutes, I would be charged for 2 minutes. I returned later that day and got charged for one hours labour...... Robbing tw@ts.

[andyman_2006]

ONtheROCS said:

I know what you mean. However, I would have thought that most of the hardware is already there. GPS receivers cost pennies and cabling and antenna etc. are usually fitted as part of a standard wiring loom but I might be wrong.

I once had to get VW to code my steering wheel controls for Bluetooth. Apparently it is a 2 minute job according to the folks that had done it themselves. The dealer wouldn't give me a cost but said if it takes 2 minutes, I would be charged for 2 minutes. I returned later that day and got charged for one hours labour...... Robbing tw@ts.

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You can see the options of what can be fitted and the prices for retro fit parts here:

http://content2.eu.porsche.com/prod/pag/tequipment...

Prices are not listed for most bits on the 718 range just yet, and no category listed for audio and comms, but as a guide if you look at the 981 prices might be an very rough indication?

A juicy £4558.93....for PCM and Nav with universal Audio (does have the 40gb HDD and 6CD with DVD playback etc)

Mobile phone prep is even £924.00...which seems a lot.

Of course these are 981 prices, so worth speaking with a dealer relating to the 718 specifically.

Its always far cheaper to buy and add these parts new during configuration rather than retro fit, some parts cannot be retro fitted like PDC front and rear (So i'm told)

Andy

[Timbola]

ONtheROCS said:

In-car Nav has never really interested me as it's expensive and usually outdated and inferior to a free/low cost smartphone app solution or stand-alone TomTom type device.

This may have been the case 10 or even 5 years ago.

But the latest generation of in-car navs are as quick as any smartphone app/standalone nav, and offer as many options.

If in-car doesn't come as standard however and needs to be specced, as in the 718, then it is certainly a lot more expensive than the app/standalone option.

Manufacturers are providing in-car as standard more and more often as time goes by I find though.

Edited by Timbola on Saturday 30th July 09:53

[Magic919]

I'd be surprised if they charged less than £3k for a retrofit. They want the punitive charges to make people stump up the grand when they order the car.

[DJMC]

A potential buyer will have passed over a non-Nav car well before he's had any thought of "Oh wait, I could get the Nav retro-fitted."

There will be plenty of others with Nav, so why would they even think about it?

It's one of those options you should spec when new as most used buyers will expect and want it, not have to fit it themselves.

Same goes for Climate, Auto Lights, Auto Wipers. They're a must as not retrofittable.

I like Google Nav on my phone, but it doesn't play over the car's loudspeakers, or mute the radio automatically, and sits in a sticky on mount somewhere which looks tacky on a Porsche. My 981 Nav is pretty good, if expensive to update (I'm told).

Edited by DJMC on Saturday 30th July 10:22

[Ozzie Osmond]

DJMC said:

It's one of those options you should spec when new as most used buyers will expect and want it, not have to fit it themselves.

Same goes for Climate, Auto Lights, Auto Wipers. They're a must as not retrofittable.

Don't fall for the "most buyers will want it" routine. If YOU don't want it, don't pay for it. I'm often told I should have had this or should have had that, but never encounter any difficulty selling my cars. [My new 981 S cost less than £50k on the road]

SatNav is the thing to worry about least of all - anyone who wants Nav can buy a TomTom for £100 which works better than most manufacturers own stuff.

Porsche will retro-fit almost anything for you - at a price which will make you cry. In the case of Nav it would certainly cost a LOT more than a £100 TomTom!

[ONtheROCS]

I recall a list of options and their projected retained value after 3 years for the M135i from BMW. It made for interesting reading as some options value after 3 years was £0.00! I wonder if anyone has seen similar for Porsche.

I've spent a few (far too long tbh) minutes on the configurator and spec'd the above options that you would find as standard on a family run around because I'm used to having them but I, for one don't mind having a tom tom stuck to the dash and cables trailing to the cig lighter as it's only for the last 10 minutes of a journey to locate a hotel or whatever in an unfamiliar place. Other than that I don't see the point in it. BMW now offer satnav as standard across their range and likewise with DAB from the year before. What do Porsche give you? Bluetooth? The salesman actually sounded like I should be grateful when he told me that. What else is standard on the 718 over the 981?

Edited by ONtheROCS on Saturday 30th July 15:48