Contracting question
Contracting question
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768

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20,710 posts

126 months

Wednesday 3rd August 2016
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Company A subcontracts work to companies B and C regularly, separately.

This time company A wants to draw up one invoice to cover a piece of work which can't be split apart but would be fulfilled by B and C, roughly sharing equal amounts of work.

B and C are both companies with one director who is the sole employee.

A was going to try and draw up a contract which meant equal payments would be made to B and C with both as signatories on the contract but has decided this is difficult - presumably because of what happens if the work isn't done in time as a result of one party.

They're now suggesting A would contract to B and B would in turn subcontract to C. Is this reasonable? I'm struggling to get my head around the VAT payments, B and C are both on the FRS.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

276 months

Wednesday 3rd August 2016
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768 said:
They're now suggesting A would contract to B and B would in turn subcontract to C. Is this reasonable? I'm struggling to get my head around the VAT payments, B and C are both on the FRS.
Sounds completely normal to me.

If A wants to be certain that B engages C to do the appropriate part of the work then A's contract with B should state, "It is a condition of this contract that B will engage C to perform xyz". [C then becomes what is knows as a Nominated Subcontractor]

As regards the VAT, it's not A's problem. It's up to B to sort out its VAT position.

LivingTheDream

1,768 posts

209 months

Thursday 4th August 2016
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Consider the value of the contract as well for FRS

If the value takes B over the FRS threshold (£150k) they will have to leave the scheme


Mattt

16,664 posts

248 months

Friday 5th August 2016
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The only one potentially benefitting in that situation is C, as B would still be held accountable for their performance. If they went back-to-back on contracts then they can pass down the responsibilities, however still a headache for B and they should expect a 'fee' on top of C's price for the admin.

What A initially wanted was a joint venture approach, but I can see the reluctance as they would normally be held joint and severally liable and would also need to sort out a JV agreement.