Track day tyres - What should I do with these?
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I bought a set of alloys that came with some track day tyres on them. Not wanting to track my car until I got it sorted, they got put away and more or less forgot about.
I've decided to go to the Nurburgring in September and remembered I had the tyres stashed, sitting on rims and maybe I could use them. I dug them out and was disappointed to find the fronts and rears were mismatched. They're also a bit iffy for use in what could be changeable conditions but they do have a fair bit of tread left. I have (I think these are the sizes)
255/35/18 Dunlop Super Sport race on the back
225/35/18 Pirelli PZero corsa on the front.
I can't find these tyres for sale anymore so it's not as if I can match them up, so I don't know what to do with them - sell them, scrap them, use them?
Edit to add:
These have now been scrapped. No idea what to do with the rims, they're horrible looking things that'll probably follow the tyres into the skip.
I've decided to go to the Nurburgring in September and remembered I had the tyres stashed, sitting on rims and maybe I could use them. I dug them out and was disappointed to find the fronts and rears were mismatched. They're also a bit iffy for use in what could be changeable conditions but they do have a fair bit of tread left. I have (I think these are the sizes)
255/35/18 Dunlop Super Sport race on the back
225/35/18 Pirelli PZero corsa on the front.
I can't find these tyres for sale anymore so it's not as if I can match them up, so I don't know what to do with them - sell them, scrap them, use them?
Edit to add:
These have now been scrapped. No idea what to do with the rims, they're horrible looking things that'll probably follow the tyres into the skip.
Edited by Byff on Wednesday 17th August 12:54
So including the ferry, insurance, fuel and track fees you are spending £ xxxx on the event.....
......but are planning to ruin it running on those tyres.
It's a Cerbera, FFS. £20+ grand's worth of Blackpool's best.
Are you planning to risk it on the Ring on those barrier-finders?
I would bet they are over six years old.
The fronts are standard, wet and dry road tyres (looking at the tread).
The rears are semi track tyres, but no more.
In the wet (and it frequently rains at the Ring) the rear will overtake the front and you will find the barrier backwards.
In the dry the fronts will overheat before the rears do, and you will find the barrier forwards.
You either need to decide not to go out on track in the wet, or you need two sets of wheels and tyres.
Your wet tyres need to be the grippiest wets you can buy - race wets if you can get them, or at least something like a Rainsport 3 road tyre.
Your dry tyres need to be proper track tyres, Toyo R888, Yoko AO48 or similar.
It's worth the investment - there are quite a few keen Cerb track drivers who will buy them off you if you decide to do no more track days. But if, like me, you get the bug, they will do another 6-10 track days.
......but are planning to ruin it running on those tyres.
It's a Cerbera, FFS. £20+ grand's worth of Blackpool's best.
Are you planning to risk it on the Ring on those barrier-finders?
I would bet they are over six years old.
The fronts are standard, wet and dry road tyres (looking at the tread).
The rears are semi track tyres, but no more.
In the wet (and it frequently rains at the Ring) the rear will overtake the front and you will find the barrier backwards.
In the dry the fronts will overheat before the rears do, and you will find the barrier forwards.
You either need to decide not to go out on track in the wet, or you need two sets of wheels and tyres.
Your wet tyres need to be the grippiest wets you can buy - race wets if you can get them, or at least something like a Rainsport 3 road tyre.
Your dry tyres need to be proper track tyres, Toyo R888, Yoko AO48 or similar.
It's worth the investment - there are quite a few keen Cerb track drivers who will buy them off you if you decide to do no more track days. But if, like me, you get the bug, they will do another 6-10 track days.
Byff said:
Keep yer hair on lol.
I just said I remembered having them so dug them out, shame they're not any good.
I had to make sure you wouldn't use them. Even brand new I wouldn't be going round the Ring any way meaningfully on that mix of rubber, and ancient part worn definitely not. Glad you are going to give your Cerb proper rubber for the occasion. Hate to hear you had crashed it. I just said I remembered having them so dug them out, shame they're not any good.
Andy_mr2sc said:
If you stack them over a post knocked in the ground and them screw them together wall to wall, horses love rubbing their back sides on them.
Thanks for that Mr Ed... Alternatively if you've got trouble with your neighbours wait till the wind is in their direction and sling them on a well established bonfire. You should have them out after tyre number two 
. But for a propper circuit or the 'ring , it would be prudent to fit something a tad fresher.Byff said:
I've decided to go to the Nurburgring in September
When will you be at the Ring? I don't think I've ever seen another TVR there, let alone a Cerb, and I've been to the Ring five times this year already (admittedly once was in a truck to pickup the dead Cerb).I'll be there for DN16 in September, which is usually the best time of the year to go. Last month although the weather on the track day was perfect, either side was very wet indeed.
These are from June
If you're doing TF then make sure you check the portal for photos
http://www.ringportal.nl/en/photography
Driving over on the 6th, staying a few days and heading back on the 9th.
Really looking forward to it, hoping to get some pax rides first, maybe a bit of instruction before going out alone. I'm staying in Haus Pit lane, I've heard the owner can give a bit of instruction to noobs like me.
Really looking forward to it, hoping to get some pax rides first, maybe a bit of instruction before going out alone. I'm staying in Haus Pit lane, I've heard the owner can give a bit of instruction to noobs like me.
Byff said:
...hoping to get some pax rides first, maybe a bit of instruction before going out alone. I'm staying in Haus Pit lane, I've heard the owner can give a bit of instruction to noobs like me.
You're doing the right thing.Do PAX laps until you know where the track goes after ever blind crest (which is most of them).
Go with your eyes open. For UK drivers TF is a 'high risk low frequency' affair: if your car dumps oil/coolant you may not even be aware that you have put a biker in a wheelchair for life, until you are stopped by the Police and subsequently bankrupted (your insurance company will pay out, and then seek recompense from you).
I still occasionally do TF, I don't have that much to loose, but it wouldn't be great if it goes horribly wrong. This is compounded by the fact that my cars of choice are a nearly 30 year 928, and an 18 year old Cerb.
Want to avoid that possibility? - Do a track day, they don't get better than those organised by Darren of Destination Nurburgring. The ante is significantly more than TF, but potential losses are limited to the cost of your car, and perhaps £20k of Armco (if you are really going for it).
Hi.
Me and my mates have done the ring several times and just come back from 4 days racing there in July.
Kudos for taking the TVR round there.
You don't see many.
If you are just going to do a lap to say you have done it then that's one thing but if your going to push it, even a little then I would not risk those tires.
If they have sat around for some time they will have hardened and may have started perishing.
The ring has many adulation's and adverse cambers that could catch out a rear drive car with shoddy rubber, not to mention the fact that as the course is so long and has varied heights it has its own micro-climate where it can be nice and sunny and then you go round a corner and literally head into a sheet of rain.
A friend of mine spun his supra a few years back due to this.
Tyre's and brakes are the most important thing on your car especially on track and considering that IF you are unlucky enough to crash you will probably not get a payout for your car then I would maximize my chances for safety.
Put it this way, a mate took his clio cup 182 round on new but standard pads. The pads were shot before he had got half way round his first lap and he had to come off and upgrade to EBC blues. The ring is HARD on tires and brakes!
I had Federal RSR on mine which were good in the dry.
Many people use Toyo R888 and I have used these in the past. They are great but expensive.
After seeing many cars this trip running Nankang NSR2's including my friends track prepped MR2 I will be going for these next on my track car.
The MR2 ran rings round much faster cars and grips well in the wet as well. They are also MUCH cheaper than the R888 with good reviews.
Obviously different tires behave differently on different cars so if there are any members who track their TVR (i track a Subaru) on here they may be able to help more.
Its worth taking out track insurance (this covers YOU and other people NOT YOUR CAR).
I used http://www.bengotravel.co.uk/track-day-insurance.a...
This covered me for health care If i crash as well as covering costs should I need heli lifting etc and repartiation costs. It also covered me for damage that I caused to other people or their vehicles. Just didnt cover my car as I doubt you will find anyone that will)
Also make sure you have a EHIC card.
Above all, enjoy yourself.
The place is great and the roads surrounding the ring are brilliant.
For a bit of fun try hiring out the go kart hotrods and doing a little tour.
Have fun.
Me and my mates have done the ring several times and just come back from 4 days racing there in July.
Kudos for taking the TVR round there.
You don't see many.
If you are just going to do a lap to say you have done it then that's one thing but if your going to push it, even a little then I would not risk those tires.
If they have sat around for some time they will have hardened and may have started perishing.
The ring has many adulation's and adverse cambers that could catch out a rear drive car with shoddy rubber, not to mention the fact that as the course is so long and has varied heights it has its own micro-climate where it can be nice and sunny and then you go round a corner and literally head into a sheet of rain.
A friend of mine spun his supra a few years back due to this.
Tyre's and brakes are the most important thing on your car especially on track and considering that IF you are unlucky enough to crash you will probably not get a payout for your car then I would maximize my chances for safety.
Put it this way, a mate took his clio cup 182 round on new but standard pads. The pads were shot before he had got half way round his first lap and he had to come off and upgrade to EBC blues. The ring is HARD on tires and brakes!
I had Federal RSR on mine which were good in the dry.
Many people use Toyo R888 and I have used these in the past. They are great but expensive.
After seeing many cars this trip running Nankang NSR2's including my friends track prepped MR2 I will be going for these next on my track car.
The MR2 ran rings round much faster cars and grips well in the wet as well. They are also MUCH cheaper than the R888 with good reviews.
Obviously different tires behave differently on different cars so if there are any members who track their TVR (i track a Subaru) on here they may be able to help more.
Its worth taking out track insurance (this covers YOU and other people NOT YOUR CAR).
I used http://www.bengotravel.co.uk/track-day-insurance.a...
This covered me for health care If i crash as well as covering costs should I need heli lifting etc and repartiation costs. It also covered me for damage that I caused to other people or their vehicles. Just didnt cover my car as I doubt you will find anyone that will)
Also make sure you have a EHIC card.
Above all, enjoy yourself.
The place is great and the roads surrounding the ring are brilliant.
For a bit of fun try hiring out the go kart hotrods and doing a little tour.
Have fun.
Scarface1 said:
Its worth taking out track insurance (this covers YOU and other people NOT YOUR CAR).
I used http://www.bengotravel.co.uk/track-day-insurance.a...
This covered me for health care If i crash as well as covering costs should I need heli lifting etc and repartiation costs. It also covered me for damage that I caused to other people or their vehicles. Just didnt cover my car as I doubt you will find anyone that will)
Thanks for that - £27 to cover me so it's worth it.I used http://www.bengotravel.co.uk/track-day-insurance.a...
This covered me for health care If i crash as well as covering costs should I need heli lifting etc and repartiation costs. It also covered me for damage that I caused to other people or their vehicles. Just didnt cover my car as I doubt you will find anyone that will)
I'm more concerned about breaking down so I've got ADAC breakdown cover now, just have to keep the old girl ship shape and ready for fun.
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