I think Michael Jackson may be innocent
Discussion
After nailing my colours firmly to the "he's guilty" mast, I'm beginning to think MJ might actually be wrongly accused. A little bit of humble pie may need to be consumed by myself - and, indeed, many others.
Looking at the trial, it's clear that many of the key witnesses are now beginning to admit to lying, fabrication and inconsistencies. Clearly, they're kids being questioned by very clever defense lawyers and it will be interesting to see what more comes out as the trial progresses.
Looking at the trial, it's clear that many of the key witnesses are now beginning to admit to lying, fabrication and inconsistencies. Clearly, they're kids being questioned by very clever defense lawyers and it will be interesting to see what more comes out as the trial progresses.
There is still the undeniable fact, that they were reading his pornography, and he slept with them
String him up
>> And clever defense lawyers......... someone is found with a dead person, covered in blood and holding the murder weapon. They then run from the police, refuse to stop for 5 hours
And get off scott free
When it's no longer about discovering the truth, reforms should be made IMHO
>> Edited by Incorrigible on Wednesday 9th March 11:49
String him up
>> And clever defense lawyers......... someone is found with a dead person, covered in blood and holding the murder weapon. They then run from the police, refuse to stop for 5 hours
And get off scott free
When it's no longer about discovering the truth, reforms should be made IMHO
>> Edited by Incorrigible on Wednesday 9th March 11:49
Its a tricky one I honestly dont believe that he is existing in the same world as the rest of us. He was a millionaire at 7 and I dont think he can really be classed as an adult himself. Not that that excuses fiddling mind you.
Its funny though, if I was a multi-millionaire peadophile I'd probably have 'Nonceland' ((c) Incorrigible) in my back garden too...
As Lisa says, tricky one.
Its funny though, if I was a multi-millionaire peadophile I'd probably have 'Nonceland' ((c) Incorrigible) in my back garden too...
As Lisa says, tricky one.
Thinking he may be innocent myself after what I've heard this morning.
Funny how quick you can change your mind just by what you hear, yet we've never met anybody involved in the case.
He said there would be no point. His actual words were "I'll be buggered if I'm going in there with Jacko"
>> Edited by lazyitus on Wednesday 9th March 11:54
Funny how quick you can change your mind just by what you hear, yet we've never met anybody involved in the case.
Mrs Fish said:
I wonder if they will get Macauley Caulkin on the stand...
He said there would be no point. His actual words were "I'll be buggered if I'm going in there with Jacko"
>> Edited by lazyitus on Wednesday 9th March 11:54
srebbe64 said:
After nailing my colours firmly to the "he's guilty" mast, I'm beginning to think MJ might actually be wrongly accused. A little bit of humble pie may need to be consumed by myself - and, indeed, many others.
Looking at the trial, it's clear that many of the key witnesses are now beginning to admit to lying, fabrication and inconsistencies. Clearly, they're kids being questioned by very clever defense lawyers and it will be interesting to see what more comes out as the trial progresses.
Bashir= Proven self serving publicity junkie.
Jacko= Fruitcake.
Everyone Else= After Jacko's money.
Of course he showed them porn and gave them wine. Spoiling them with adult treats. I doubt he was engaging in buggery or anything similar, he likes kids too much for that.
>> Edited by bruciebabe on Wednesday 9th March 11:52
Plotloss said:
Its a tricky one I honestly dont believe that he is existing in the same world as the rest of us.
Like you say, its a tricky one. The problem is that even if he is guilty (or found guilty), can you really convict someone who clearly doesnt necessarily know right from wrong..... through no fault of his own and who isnt actually disturbed in the medical sense of the word....
He simply doesnt fit into "our" definition of the world / right / wrong. Does that make him a bad man who deserves to say hello to the soap at the local institution?
Tough call and not one I would like to, or even want to, make....
It doesn't matter whether any of us think he is innocent or guilty. This is not justice at work, this is theatre. The farcical approach taken by both defence and prosecution essentially guarantees that nobody will ever be completely confident about whether the alleged activities took place or not and that the outcome will be utterly meaningless. The justice system has been mortally injured in exactly the same way that the political system has. We are witnessing the death of democracy.
lazyitus said:
He simply doesnt fit into "our" definition of the world / right / wrong. Does that make him a bad man who deserves to say hello to the soap at the local institution?
Do any paedophiles?
Good point - but with such claim / counter claim, its difficult to assess what is the truth and what is not. Since a successful conviction will open the doors to multi-million dollar law suits, there is a vested interest in someone lying under oath (though not suggesting that people are doing this!). It seems less to be about justice and more to do with money....
I mean, what about that priest? All gone very quiet about him, even though he systematically abused children over 30-odd years - while being a trusted member of the clergy..... but thats another story...
Mom-Ami-Mate, in California or everywhere?
Don't think that farcical trials are something new, especially in the US. I'm sure you've seen the excellent film "Inherit the Wind" based on the Scopes "Monkey Trial" of the 1920s. Also, the Broadway musical "Chicago" is very much about the misuse of the judicial system by those trying to seek publicity. Although it is set in the 1920s, the show was written in the 1970s but that is 30 years ago.
And, of course, we've had the O J Simpson trial since, although that was nine years ago!
>> Edited by Eric Mc on Wednesday 9th March 12:04
Don't think that farcical trials are something new, especially in the US. I'm sure you've seen the excellent film "Inherit the Wind" based on the Scopes "Monkey Trial" of the 1920s. Also, the Broadway musical "Chicago" is very much about the misuse of the judicial system by those trying to seek publicity. Although it is set in the 1920s, the show was written in the 1970s but that is 30 years ago.
And, of course, we've had the O J Simpson trial since, although that was nine years ago!
>> Edited by Eric Mc on Wednesday 9th March 12:04
Eric Mc said:
Mom-Ami-Mate, in California or everywhere?
Don't think that farcical trials are something new, especially in the US. I'm sure you've seen the excellent film "Inherit the Wind" based on the Scopes "Monkey Trial" of the 1920s. Also, the Broadway musical "Chicago" is very much about the misuse of the judicial system by those trying to seek publicity. Although it is set in the 1920s, the show was written in the 1970s but that is 30 years ago.
And, of course, we've had the O J Simpson trial since, although that was nine years ago!
>> Edited by Eric Mc on Wednesday 9th March 12:04
In the whole of the US, with us following closely behind...
I don't think he is an abuser - just someone who has never grown up himself and is too naive to realise how the rest of the world will interpret his actions.
Unfortunately, though, it seems that enough people had warned him. It was inevitable that a case like this would eventually happen.
The only thing I think he is guilty of is being very, very naive. If he's found guilty, I'm not so sure he'd survive jail.
Unfortunately, though, it seems that enough people had warned him. It was inevitable that a case like this would eventually happen.
The only thing I think he is guilty of is being very, very naive. If he's found guilty, I'm not so sure he'd survive jail.
I agree that democracy is under real threat at the moment - but mainly from government rather than the courts. In fact, as can be seen with what is happening to Charles Clarke's anti-terror bill, it's the judicial system and the courts which may very well be the only bulwark against the govermment becoming even more of a semi-dictatorship than it already is.
Indeed, even George W Bush has had some setbacks from the US Federal Court.
I'm happy to leave Hollywood and California to plough its own furrow with its long tradition of "showbiz" trials (what about the Fatty Arbuckle trial of the 1920s?). I think our salvation from autocracy will come from the judiciary, not politicians.
>> Edited by Eric Mc on Wednesday 9th March 12:12
Indeed, even George W Bush has had some setbacks from the US Federal Court.
I'm happy to leave Hollywood and California to plough its own furrow with its long tradition of "showbiz" trials (what about the Fatty Arbuckle trial of the 1920s?). I think our salvation from autocracy will come from the judiciary, not politicians.
>> Edited by Eric Mc on Wednesday 9th March 12:12
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