Airport Security
Author
Discussion

gtr-gaz

Original Poster:

5,281 posts

275 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
quotequote all
I picked my parents up from Luton airport last week and noticed (not for the first time, by the way) a couple of policemen with what looked like semi automatic machine guns!
Why?

I know security at airports is red hot these days, but why machine guns?
Would'nt an ordinary hand gun suffice?
Surely a machine gun is for killing lots of people instead of half a dozen!

I was tempted to ask them but did'nt fancy spending a night in jail as a possible terrorist suspect!!

john_p

7,073 posts

279 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
quotequote all
They've been like that for as long as I can remember, it's not just a recent thing

They do have pistols as well remember

targarama

14,780 posts

312 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
quotequote all
It's all about reassuring Joe Public. Not much to do with preventing terrorism I'm afraid.

Hilts

4,684 posts

311 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
quotequote all
How about last year when they had tanks at Heathrow ? what a load of Govt scaremongering bullsh1t that was.

Nevin

2,999 posts

290 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
quotequote all
john_p said:
They've been like that for as long as I can remember, it's not just a recent thing

They do have pistols as well remember


Yup, they've had them for at least 12 years. Nothing new

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

284 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
quotequote all
They've been rigged to fire only one round at a time...

GMan 2112

182 posts

264 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
quotequote all
targarama said:
It's all about reassuring Joe Public. Not much to do with preventing terrorism I'm afraid.



Friend of mines mum was shot by a terrorist/loony at a ticket desk in LAX a couple years ago.Security then turned him into a Swiss cheese.

Its not all show and no go.

BliarOut

72,863 posts

268 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
quotequote all
Hilts said:
How about last year when they had tanks at Heathrow ? what a load of Govt scaremongering bullsh1t that was.

That was hilarious, as if a tank can help in any way whatsoever in a terrorist attack. That was just Phony Tony's way of trying to convince the public we were in mortal danger and needed to attack Iraq....


Were we all taken in I wonder

D_Mike

5,301 posts

269 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
quotequote all
GMan 2112 said:

targarama said:
It's all about reassuring Joe Public. Not much to do with preventing terrorism I'm afraid.




Friend of mines mum was shot by a terrorist/loony at a ticket desk in LAX a couple years ago.Security then turned him into a Swiss cheese.

Its not all show and no go.


ooo thats good, two people shot instead of one!

anonymous-user

83 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
quotequote all
Airport police carry the same weapons as firearms police - an H&K MP5 sub machine gun, but as already mentioned, semi-auto rather than fully auto. And a Gloch side arm. They used to carry Smith and Wesson revolvers but changed to Gloch semi autos as they use the same rounds as the H&K.

The reason that a side arm on its own would be next to useless is because of accuracy. The accuracy of a rifle is much greater than a pistol. I think, but am not certain, that the way the H&K is carried with the collapsible stock looped around the shoulder, it's quicker to level than to draw a pistol - pretty important when you consider that someone with a knife can cover about 20m in the time it takes to draw a pistol, aim and fire.

This is all from memory, so there may be a few inaccuracies.

anonymous-user

83 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
quotequote all
D_Mike said:
ooo thats good, two people shot instead of one!

Not sure quite what you mean, but I think you're saying that it's not good that the guy got shot by security. If they didn't, how many more people may have been shot by the lunatic?

GMan 2112

182 posts

264 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
quotequote all
D_Mike said:


ooo thats good, two people shot instead of one!


Man opens fire at an aiport, kills two wounds four others, so security shoot him dead.

And your problem with shooting the gunman is what exactly?

agent006

12,058 posts

293 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
quotequote all
GMan 2112 said:

And your problem with shooting the gunman is what exactly?


Ooooh, shooting people's bad so we'll...ummm....shoot you.

By all means shoot him, but get him in the leg or something so you don't kill him.

rich1231

17,340 posts

289 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
quotequote all
Shooting to wound and incapacitate is not an exaxct ing science.
Shoot to kill or use a non lethal weapon.
If someone was going postal close to you, would you like to talk him out of it while he skins you or would you prefer the powers that be put him down?

D_Mike

5,301 posts

269 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
quotequote all
Yes, shooting to wound is not an exact science... however the phrase used was "Security then turned him into a Swiss cheese." Now I don't know what this guys pain threshold was but I'd be surprised if he could continue to shoot at people whilst full of holes...

In the same way being nice to the people you are occupying is not an exact science... the British army are much better at it (friendly landrovers vs massive armoured humvees, soft hats vs hard helmets, no sunglasses vs sunglasses etc) than the Americans. I suspect that in a British airport they wouldn't go for the american strategy of mincing the guy.

NHyde

1,427 posts

277 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
quotequote all
Mp7's wil be good when they get them , only kill the people you hit instead of the two or three behind as well

Flat in Fifth

48,650 posts

280 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
quotequote all
LexSport said:
The reason that a side arm on its own would be next to useless is because of accuracy.

Yes it's only in movies that the good guy can draw a hand gun and nail a mouse in the left testicle at 30 paces.

Note: no mice were harmed or endangered in the writing of this post.

sirtophamhat

1,072 posts

267 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
quotequote all
D_Mike said:
I suspect that in a British airport they wouldn't go for the american strategy of mincing the guy.


Yes, I'm sure they'd talk nicely, try and calm him down. "Please sir, how about you set the gun down? No one wants to hurt you, we understand perfectly." Yeah right. He's already killed two people, he's holding a gun. He has no rights.

rico

7,917 posts

284 months

Wednesday 9th March 2005
quotequote all
Every copper around Westminster seems to have an MP5 these days.

One of the female coppers is gorgeous

b17nns

18,506 posts

276 months

Thursday 10th March 2005
quotequote all
agent006 said:

By all means shoot him, but get him in the leg or something so you don't kill him.


WTF? If he deems it acceptable behaviour to open fire in a public space blow the feckers head off.

Shoot him in the leg my arse.