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Sounds all good with the specs upgrade but the biggest flaw is it still only has a 1TB hard drive. No 4k blue ray player either.
I wont be rushing out to buy one anytime soon but for £350 I think its reasonably priced.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-09-07-sony-...
I wont be rushing out to buy one anytime soon but for £350 I think its reasonably priced.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-09-07-sony-...
The real bad taste in my mouth is not the performance but the price. The PS4 was £350 when it launched just THREE years ago. From what I've seen, they're charging a whole new console price, for something that isn't really much of a step...and only 3 years later.
This is a really bad business model change for the consumer. I am hoping it doesn't sell like they expect and show it's not the right way to go about this.
This is a really bad business model change for the consumer. I am hoping it doesn't sell like they expect and show it's not the right way to go about this.
I Think with the upgrades they hope the gamers who want the fastest Hardware will pay for it. As long as it still supports all the new upcoming games ill stick with the original for now.
Sony and Xbox are jumping into the same tactics as the phone companies. I phone 6 then 6S a year later.
Sony and Xbox are jumping into the same tactics as the phone companies. I phone 6 then 6S a year later.
Would much rather have 1080p/60fps rather than some upscalled 4k at 30fps (if it can even maintain that).
Also, disappointing to hear that games that have multiplayer that run at 30fps on PS4 will be 30fps on Pro. Sony thinks this would give too big an advantage to Pro players. WTF, PC players have had differing framerates for ever on online competitive games.
I don't see the point of it.
If this new console was going to let me play games like Bloodborne at 1080p/60fps I'd be all over it.
Also, disappointing to hear that games that have multiplayer that run at 30fps on PS4 will be 30fps on Pro. Sony thinks this would give too big an advantage to Pro players. WTF, PC players have had differing framerates for ever on online competitive games.
I don't see the point of it.
If this new console was going to let me play games like Bloodborne at 1080p/60fps I'd be all over it.
I've always had the feeling that Sony sort of rushed this out. Xbox One wasn't selling so MS does it's usual of f
king the hardware off for something shinier (looking at you Windows Phone!), Sony gets wind of it and feels they have to release their own upgraded console. The result is this... thing. It's good if you don't yet own a PS4 and had been planning to get one, now for the same price you'd have been paying for the original you can get the upgraded version. Not such a great deal if you already own a PS4.
king the hardware off for something shinier (looking at you Windows Phone!), Sony gets wind of it and feels they have to release their own upgraded console. The result is this... thing. It's good if you don't yet own a PS4 and had been planning to get one, now for the same price you'd have been paying for the original you can get the upgraded version. Not such a great deal if you already own a PS4. 
I'm toying with the idea of getting one. The kids have a standard PS4 upstairs that I never get a look in on. Downstairs we have a 4K TV (LG 40UF770V) but it doesn't look like it has HDR (although it has got Wide Colour Gamut, whatever that is, and HDMI 2.0).. Not sure if I will see the full 4K/performance update benefits as a result.
I wasn't really in the market for a new console -eldest likes Minecraft which works beautifully on a little sort of half-gaming machine I built him but he's asked for a PS4 for Xmas. I was hoping the slim would be cheap, but at £250 it's only really the same price as the standard one it now at most online places.
The 'Pro' looks okay, but we don't currently have a UHD TV and no plans to get one until current TV dies so I don't really see the point.
Storage doesn't seem great, I haven't had a console since a 2006 era PS3, but I understand whilst they still sell physical media, most things run from the HDD nowadays. Can you still install your own HDD?
The 'Pro' looks okay, but we don't currently have a UHD TV and no plans to get one until current TV dies so I don't really see the point.
Storage doesn't seem great, I haven't had a console since a 2006 era PS3, but I understand whilst they still sell physical media, most things run from the HDD nowadays. Can you still install your own HDD?
Think Sony have really dropped the ball here.
Scorpio is going to be faster than the Pro by a considerable margin, certainly more than the difference between the Xbox One and the PS4. PS4 Pro will of course be faster than both, but still reportedly 30% slower than the Scorpio. That's night and day.
I guess with console revisions there is an element of poker involved - who blinks first, etc, and perhaps that contributed to Sony getting rattled by Microsoft's machinations back and forth about console upgradeability, to the point where everyone knew they were working on something. It definitely feels like Microsoft spooked Sony into premature action, and as a result have stolen a march on them.
Scorpio isn't out until 2017 but everyone already knows that it's going to be considerably faster than the PS4 Pro. That can't be good. What can Sony even do about that? PS4 Pro S?
It's also shameful that the Xbox One S can do 4K Bluray and the Pro can't. Sony licence the damn thing to other people and they can't even beat Microsoft at their own game?
Scorpio is going to be faster than the Pro by a considerable margin, certainly more than the difference between the Xbox One and the PS4. PS4 Pro will of course be faster than both, but still reportedly 30% slower than the Scorpio. That's night and day.
I guess with console revisions there is an element of poker involved - who blinks first, etc, and perhaps that contributed to Sony getting rattled by Microsoft's machinations back and forth about console upgradeability, to the point where everyone knew they were working on something. It definitely feels like Microsoft spooked Sony into premature action, and as a result have stolen a march on them.
Scorpio isn't out until 2017 but everyone already knows that it's going to be considerably faster than the PS4 Pro. That can't be good. What can Sony even do about that? PS4 Pro S?
It's also shameful that the Xbox One S can do 4K Bluray and the Pro can't. Sony licence the damn thing to other people and they can't even beat Microsoft at their own game?
I was pretty much sold on pre-ordering one but having seen that it inexplicably doesn't have a UHD Blu Ray (even though the Xbox One S has one as standard), looks butt ugly and consumes up to 310W of power (meaning it will be hot and therefore likely extremely noisy) I have decided to give it a while and see what sort of improvements games show on the new hardware.
The Sony presentation really didn't do a good job of selling the concept and left me cold to be honest.
The Sony presentation really didn't do a good job of selling the concept and left me cold to be honest.
GroundEffect said:
The real bad taste in my mouth is not the performance but the price. The PS4 was £350 when it launched just THREE years ago. From what I've seen, they're charging a whole new console price, for something that isn't really much of a step...and only 3 years later.
This is a really bad business model change for the consumer. I am hoping it doesn't sell like they expect and show it's not the right way to go about this.
It's quite a bit of a performance leap - over 2x the processing grunt and sold for the same price as the original PS4 was.This is a really bad business model change for the consumer. I am hoping it doesn't sell like they expect and show it's not the right way to go about this.
My beefs are that it doesn't have a UHD Blu Ray, which is lunacy considering that they are using the growing popularity of 4k TVs as a justification for it AND even the regular XBox One S has UHD BD ... they didn't do a good job of demonstrating it's benefits for HD owners ... it's ugly as sin ... and eats up to 310W in operation.
Sony have messed up massively. The basic specs of this leaked months ago, the new PS4 Slim was shown 'in the flesh' by internet sources weeks ago and yet they made everyone wait until yesterday before making an utterly underwhelming presentation to officially confirm them.
This is a 'ball drop' of potentially the same magnitude as MSes totally botched original CES Xbox One reveal.
Lucas Ayde said:
GroundEffect said:
The real bad taste in my mouth is not the performance but the price. The PS4 was £350 when it launched just THREE years ago. From what I've seen, they're charging a whole new console price, for something that isn't really much of a step...and only 3 years later.
This is a really bad business model change for the consumer. I am hoping it doesn't sell like they expect and show it's not the right way to go about this.
It's quite a bit of a performance leap - over 2x the processing grunt and sold for the same price as the original PS4 was.This is a really bad business model change for the consumer. I am hoping it doesn't sell like they expect and show it's not the right way to go about this.
My beefs are that it doesn't have a UHD Blu Ray, which is lunacy considering that they are using the growing popularity of 4k TVs as a justification for it AND even the regular XBox One S has UHD BD ... they didn't do a good job of demonstrating it's benefits for HD owners ... it's ugly as sin ... and eats up to 310W in operation.
Sony have messed up massively. The basic specs of this leaked months ago, the new PS4 Slim was shown 'in the flesh' by internet sources weeks ago and yet they made everyone wait until yesterday before making an utterly underwhelming presentation to officially confirm them.
This is a 'ball drop' of potentially the same magnitude as MSes totally botched original CES Xbox One reveal.
As for UHD Blu Ray, really, in 2016? Nah. I know it's s
t if you don't live in a fibre/cable area - but physical media is in steep decline and I don't suspect 4K blu-rays are going to save it. If watching 4k films was your driver for buying a Pro, I'd be more concerned about the storage for downloads or your bandwith at home. If I wasn't sure about that before, I am now - Blockbuster isn't going to be having a resurgence any time soon, nor HMV or Virgin Megastores.
Edited by P-Jay on Thursday 8th September 16:28
It's reasonably priced, and from what initial impressions have said will provide the decent stopover gap we need until true 4K gaming is possible, which it won't be at console levels for a few years (I'm not convinced Scorpio can do it unless it's hugely expensive).
The slim is a nice move to undercut the One S too, add even more people to the PS4 player base, not to mention more used consoles due to upgraders.
I'm excited for improved visuals, either in resolution or effect quality, or even 60fps instead of 30fps. I also quite like the idea that developers might be giving us a choice of what we want, as at the end of the day it's all just different settings akin to on PC.
HDR is very big too, personally bigger than 4K but until I see both I couldn't say. It's also great that it's coming to the current PS4, however most (maybe all?) TVs that support it are also 4K, so maybe it's a bit of a gateway drug to the Pro.
I'm in no rush to buy one, mainly because I want to see how developers utilise it, and because I can't afford £3k on the TV I want to fully utilise it's abilities. I think it's a bit of a no-brainer for VR too.
If we get another 3 years before a PS5 or whatever that can truly do 4K60 gaming then great, I'm happy for a bandaid for this tricky generation, one that was released at an awkward time where display tech and consumer expectation has advanced quicker than CPU and GPU power. 4K needed to be added, and this method of upscaling/rendering some elements in 4K etc is a great technique to push visual quality.
I wish it came with a controller akin to the Elite however.
Yes they were a bit forced to play their hand by MS, but Sony want to hold on to this generation for obvious reasons, their player base is huge, MS want to accelerate the cycle because they've clearly lost this round, it's a business after all and they need to get units in to people's homes, they're going to play the all out power card with Scorpio, and it will be interesting to see how it plays out. I think console gaming as we know it might be much closer to PC gaming than it is now, heck I think XBO games might at some point become playable on PCs, with the Xbox just becoming MS' pre-packaged gaming PC that they update every few years, with no true generation like it currently is.
The slim is a nice move to undercut the One S too, add even more people to the PS4 player base, not to mention more used consoles due to upgraders.
I'm excited for improved visuals, either in resolution or effect quality, or even 60fps instead of 30fps. I also quite like the idea that developers might be giving us a choice of what we want, as at the end of the day it's all just different settings akin to on PC.
HDR is very big too, personally bigger than 4K but until I see both I couldn't say. It's also great that it's coming to the current PS4, however most (maybe all?) TVs that support it are also 4K, so maybe it's a bit of a gateway drug to the Pro.
I'm in no rush to buy one, mainly because I want to see how developers utilise it, and because I can't afford £3k on the TV I want to fully utilise it's abilities. I think it's a bit of a no-brainer for VR too.
If we get another 3 years before a PS5 or whatever that can truly do 4K60 gaming then great, I'm happy for a bandaid for this tricky generation, one that was released at an awkward time where display tech and consumer expectation has advanced quicker than CPU and GPU power. 4K needed to be added, and this method of upscaling/rendering some elements in 4K etc is a great technique to push visual quality.
I wish it came with a controller akin to the Elite however.
Yes they were a bit forced to play their hand by MS, but Sony want to hold on to this generation for obvious reasons, their player base is huge, MS want to accelerate the cycle because they've clearly lost this round, it's a business after all and they need to get units in to people's homes, they're going to play the all out power card with Scorpio, and it will be interesting to see how it plays out. I think console gaming as we know it might be much closer to PC gaming than it is now, heck I think XBO games might at some point become playable on PCs, with the Xbox just becoming MS' pre-packaged gaming PC that they update every few years, with no true generation like it currently is.
P-Jay said:
You'd think if they wanted to make a big splash they would have avoided doing on the same day as the latest ithingy too.
As for UHD Blu Ray, really, in 2016? Nah. I know it's st if you don't live in a fibre/cable area - but physical media is in steep decline and I don't suspect 4K blu-rays are going to save it. If watching 4k films was your driver for buying a Pro, I'd be more concerned about the storage for downloads or your bandwith at home.
If I wasn't sure about that before, I am now - Blockbuster isn't going to be having a resurgence any time soon, nor HMV or Virgin Megastores.
Streaming can look very good but even with regular HD (1080p) I find that Blu Ray is almost always visibly superior and usually has superior audio options too. I'd imagine that the difference is even more pronounced with 4k sets.As for UHD Blu Ray, really, in 2016? Nah. I know it's s
t if you don't live in a fibre/cable area - but physical media is in steep decline and I don't suspect 4K blu-rays are going to save it. If watching 4k films was your driver for buying a Pro, I'd be more concerned about the storage for downloads or your bandwith at home. If I wasn't sure about that before, I am now - Blockbuster isn't going to be having a resurgence any time soon, nor HMV or Virgin Megastores.
Edited by P-Jay on Thursday 8th September 16:28
I don't mind for renting a film - it's super convenient and the quality loss isn't too bad - but I would never 'buy' a film or show/box set from a streaming service. Aside from lower quality who knows how long the service will be around for or if I will always be able to access it with good bandwidth?
Even without a 4k set, if I got a machine with UHD BD then I'd switch to buying 4k Blu Rays simply to future-proof my purchases. It's not like a buy a tonne of BDs but they tend to be cherished films or shows.
I just think it's baffling to call a machine the 'Pro' version, go on about higher definition and using 4k displays for better gaming quality, and then stick with standard HD Blu Ray for the optical drive. Especially when your low-end competitor has the UHD drive as standard now.
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