Wheelie - undue care and attention?
Discussion
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london
I would expect more than an FPN for that but then again, I wouldn't do it (because I can't,(googles dangerous driving)).
I would expect more than an FPN for that but then again, I wouldn't do it (because I can't,(googles dangerous driving)).
Artykay said:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london
I would expect more than an FPN for that but then again, I wouldn't do it (because I can't,(googles dangerous driving)).
Indeed - this isn't just a little lift of the front wheel. Clearly he was out of control (falling off is a dead giveaway), and it was a relatively busy road. I would expect more than an FPN for that but then again, I wouldn't do it (because I can't,(googles dangerous driving)).
Got off rather lightly really... FPN, no serious injuries to himself and no innocent bystanders caught up...
Should be banned really, might make people think twice before doing something so stupid. Personally I don't think there's any excuse for doing wheelies on the public highway, but at least if you are going to do it then avoid a busy high street!
Should be banned really, might make people think twice before doing something so stupid. Personally I don't think there's any excuse for doing wheelies on the public highway, but at least if you are going to do it then avoid a busy high street!
You mean this? http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/horrifying-m...
The video's hardly Oscar-for-cinematography territory. So somebody pulled a wheelie so far that they fell off the back. More than that, nobody knows. Hardly going to set the world alight in court, so persuading Numptyb
ks to take an FPN for careless is probably about as far as it's realistically going.
The video's hardly Oscar-for-cinematography territory. So somebody pulled a wheelie so far that they fell off the back. More than that, nobody knows. Hardly going to set the world alight in court, so persuading Numptyb
ks to take an FPN for careless is probably about as far as it's realistically going.Don't think the police can issue a FPN for dangerous driving meaning it'd have to go to court. Easier for them to issue a FPN that the driver/rider accepts than have to get statements and presumably more paperwork to get it to court. Might have been different if there was damage/injury to a third party. If it was the biker's first offence then hopefully he'll have learned his lesson and that could be another reason for the FPN rather than a court appearance.
Couple of colleagues stopped a moped doing a wheelie a few weeks ago, he was given a course (first offence, well minus the no insurance I gave him a few days earlier!) and a section 59.
Bumped into him last week and he had broken his wrist. You can probably guess how!
The fpn is for low level offences, if it was not suitable, just send them to court. Maybe need an extra statement as the ticket statement wouldn't be big enough.
Out of interest, have I been saying it wrong? Never heard it called undue care other than on here.
Bumped into him last week and he had broken his wrist. You can probably guess how!
The fpn is for low level offences, if it was not suitable, just send them to court. Maybe need an extra statement as the ticket statement wouldn't be big enough.
Out of interest, have I been saying it wrong? Never heard it called undue care other than on here.
drf765 said:
A motorcyclist that deliberately rides a 2-wheel motorcycle on one wheel is satisfying all the requirements to be charged with dangerous driving.
I can't imagine why this rider wasn't charged accordingly.
That would be because it does not satisfy the requirements for dangerous driving I can't imagine why this rider wasn't charged accordingly.
My brother got a FPN for a wheelie, I'd spotted the unmarked car and was riding fine, my brother with no mirrors decided to pull a little wheelie, country road etc. I didnt even see the wheel come up so it must have been quick/small. They gave him a ticket for careless driving, which had he paid for it would have just been a course. Sadly he's a dick so he left it and left it and ended up in court with 4 points and £500 fine.
creampuff said:
drf765 said:
A motorcyclist that deliberately rides a 2-wheel motorcycle on one wheel is satisfying all the requirements to be charged with dangerous driving.
I can't imagine why this rider wasn't charged accordingly.
That would be because it does not satisfy the requirements for dangerous driving I can't imagine why this rider wasn't charged accordingly.
2. Dangerous driving.
A person who drives a mechanically propelled vehicle dangerously on a road or other public place is guilty of an offence.
2A Meaning of dangerous driving.
(1)For the purposes of sections 1 and 2 above a person is to be regarded as driving dangerously if (and, subject to subsection (2) below, only if)—
(a)the way he drives falls far below what would be expected of a competent and careful driver, and
(b)it would be obvious to a competent and careful driver that driving in that way would be dangerous.
(2)A person is also to be regarded as driving dangerously for the purposes of sections 1 and 2 above if it would be obvious to a competent and careful driver that driving the vehicle in its current state would be dangerous.
(3)In subsections (1) and (2) above “dangerous” refers to danger either of injury to any person or of serious damage to property; and in determining for the purposes of those subsections what would be expected of, or obvious to, a competent and careful driver in a particular case, regard shall be had not only to the circumstances of which he could be expected to be aware but also to any circumstances shown to have been within the knowledge of the accused.
(4)In determining for the purposes of subsection (2) above the state of a vehicle, regard may be had to anything attached to or carried on or in it and to the manner in which it is attached or carried.]
All satisfied. The guy was driving dangerously
It sounded like he was giving it some and the bike carried on beyond the road junction. How fast?
I hope he knows how badly that could could have panned out - no gloves or jacket is mad when you're up to that sort of thing.
That scooter rider that he overtook last must have had a great view though.
Sorry about the link, did it on a phone.
Will try to edit.
I hope he knows how badly that could could have panned out - no gloves or jacket is mad when you're up to that sort of thing.
That scooter rider that he overtook last must have had a great view though.
Sorry about the link, did it on a phone.
Will try to edit.
drf765 said:
A motorcyclist that deliberately rides a 2-wheel motorcycle on one wheel is satisfying all the requirements to be charged with dangerous driving.
I can't imagine why this rider wasn't charged accordingly.
That is like saying that anyone doing 31 in a 30 is guilty of dangerous driving. Context is everything. On a straight country road having the front wheel pop in the air is so slightly more dangerous than accelerating on both wheels that it is almost not measurable (like doing 31 rather than 30). At the other end of the scale is this idiot who deliberately tried to hoist a big wheelie (when he obviously doesn't have the necessary skill or experience) on a crowded, suburban street and who doesn't injure third parties purely through good fortune. A more obvious example of dangerous driving seems hard to find. I can't imagine why this rider wasn't charged accordingly.
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