Loss of power while driving
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Mk3Spitfire

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157 months

Wednesday 14th September 2016
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After my first near faultless summer of driving the Spitty, it almost...almost let me down today. Driving along nice little A road, when all of a sudden the power just went, and there was a slight chugging. Managed, thank God to free wheel into a pub car park. When idling the revs still seemed to be pretty high, but maybe that was just my imagination. Opened the bonnet and there was nothing obvious...left it no more than 5 minutes, and thought I'd give it another go and it was fine again.

What could it have been? Air bubble in the fuel line somewhere? Overheating? It's just been converted to electronic ignition, and has been running better than ever until now.

It's a '69 Mk3 Spitty

Grumbly

332 posts

177 months

Wednesday 14th September 2016
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Do you have an in line fuel filter? if so it would be worth checking that it's not become blocked with sediment from the tank.

Mk3Spitfire

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Wednesday 14th September 2016
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Grumbly said:
Do you have an in line fuel filter? if so it would be worth checking that it's not become blocked with sediment from the tank.
I do. A small, see through, egg cup sized one. Couldn't see anything obvious, but thinking about it it's been on a few years now. Might be worth changing it?

Grumbly

332 posts

177 months

Wednesday 14th September 2016
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I had this problem on my TR6, grinding to a halt every so often only to restart once enough fuel had eventually made it through the filter. Only finally really solved by a new fuel tank.

Mk3Spitfire

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Wednesday 14th September 2016
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Grumbly said:
I had this problem on my TR6, grinding to a halt every so often only to restart once enough fuel had eventually made it through the filter. Only finally really solved by a new fuel tank.
Bloody hell. Ok thanks. Got some new filters on order. I'll try them first and see if that fixes it.

Doofus

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202 months

Wednesday 14th September 2016
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Do you have the original SU carbs, or something bigger?

838HNK

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248 months

Wednesday 14th September 2016
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I have an 1147cc Spitfire engined Fairthorpe.

I'd go for a new fuel filter .... then if still failing and it has twin SUs unscrew one of the float chambers (three screws) - have a friend quickly crank over the engine and check you have fuel flowing. Do the same on the second.

If no fuel and filter changed go for a blocked fuel line or tank.

My car had loss of power - sounded like a Subaru as it only fired on two cylinders - dragged itself along - ended up being a float chamber needle valve got a bit of gunk in it (despite a good fuel filter and pressure regulator)

I could leave it a while and the bowl would gently fill up .... ran for a while .... then starvation again ...





Edited by 838HNK on Wednesday 14th September 18:54

Mk3Spitfire

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Wednesday 14th September 2016
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Thanks. Yes, just the original twin SU's.

Definitely sounds like a fuel issue. I'll try the new filters, considering they cost pence each. If that doesn't sort it I'll look into the carbs. As it goes, they need replacing/refurb soonish anyway, so may be time to do that.

838HNK

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248 months

Wednesday 14th September 2016
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Burlen are the peeps for SU refurbishment in my book .... https://burlen.co.uk/

TonyRPH

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197 months

Wednesday 14th September 2016
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Was it a hot day where you are?

It wouldn't be a vapour lock would it?


Riley Blue

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255 months

Wednesday 14th September 2016
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Vapour lock would be my guess, I've experienced it in my Riley 1.5 with twin SUs.

Willhire89

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234 months

Wednesday 14th September 2016
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I agree with the above two posters - given the current ambient and modern fuels this could be the cheapest fix yet....

....should be cooler tomorrow.

Doofus

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202 months

Wednesday 14th September 2016
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That's why I asked about the carbs, but only because I've never had it with SUs.

geeman237

1,353 posts

214 months

Wednesday 14th September 2016
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Initial thoughts were maybe the condenser, but has that gone with the swap to electronic ignition? Other thought was fuel pump points if you have gone to an SU electric pump. I think Spitfires, were mechanical pumps like Heralds originally.
Can you look down into the petrol tank and see any sediment etc in it?
Hope its an easy and cheap fix for you.


Mk3Spitfire

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Thursday 15th September 2016
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Thank you all for the helpful replies. It was a hot day. Today actually, and even in deepest darkest Wales it got to about 27 degrees. I only stopped for a few minutes, and then it drove the last few miles home without a hitch. Was just a bit unnerving as there was no warning at all, and I was lucky to be on a stretch of road with a pull in.
Carb referb is definitely on the wish list, but hopefully it was just the hot weather then, and I'm fairly confident that won't be a problem very often.

838HNK

605 posts

248 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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Oooppss - Guilty Murder One - forgot the obvious ! - also does your inlet manifold have the heat shield as this sometimes gets lost or left off ?

Norfolkandchance

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228 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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838HNK said:
Oooppss - Guilty Murder One - forgot the obvious ! - also does your inlet manifold have the heat shield as this sometimes gets lost or left off ?
I would say exactly this - fit a heat shield if there isn't already one. I think there was more than one type over the years and it may be that the later ones are beefier. Did the problem go away when cooled down?

Mk3Spitfire

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Thursday 15th September 2016
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Norfolkandchance said:
I would say exactly this - fit a heat shield if there isn't already one. I think there was more than one type over the years and it may be that the later ones are beefier. Did the problem go away when cooled down?
I don't have a heat shield fitted. Worth getting one then?

The problem went away almost straight away. I could only have been stopped 4/5 minutes max which I wouldn't have thought was enough time for anything to cool down any decent amount?

Willhire89

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234 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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Mk3Spitfire said:
Norfolkandchance said:
I would say exactly this - fit a heat shield if there isn't already one. I think there was more than one type over the years and it may be that the later ones are beefier. Did the problem go away when cooled down?
I don't have a heat shield fitted. Worth getting one then?

The problem went away almost straight away. I could only have been stopped 4/5 minutes max which I wouldn't have thought was enough time for anything to cool down any decent amount?
Vapour lock can seem a bit random it is a very marginal temp variation that makes all the difference. A few minutes allows a slug of cold fuel to enter the float bowls on restart and the water pump to bring some cold(er) water in from the rad which has been stationary.

Mk3Spitfire

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Thursday 15th September 2016
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Willhire89 said:
Mk3Spitfire said:
Norfolkandchance said:
I would say exactly this - fit a heat shield if there isn't already one. I think there was more than one type over the years and it may be that the later ones are beefier. Did the problem go away when cooled down?
I don't have a heat shield fitted. Worth getting one then?

The problem went away almost straight away. I could only have been stopped 4/5 minutes max which I wouldn't have thought was enough time for anything to cool down any decent amount?
Vapour lock can seem a bit random it is a very marginal temp variation that makes all the difference. A few minutes allows a slug of cold fuel to enter the float bowls on restart and the water pump to bring some cold(er) water in from the rad which has been stationary.
Ok, thanks. I'll change the filter anyway and probably fit a heat shield as they're fairly cheap fixes. Then I'll see what happens. Not many warm days left now anyway so the temp shouldn't be a problem for a while.