Salaried staff, Getting payed while on Jury Service ?
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Hi all,
This is predominately aimed at the salaried monthly paid staff.
When you have been called up, and served your two weeks on the jury, how did your employers manage your salary?
1, Paid full salary, no need to claim off court
2, Claimed maximum daily amount (64.95) from court, and employers made up the difference
3. Claimed maximum daily amount (64.95) from court, and lost out financially, because your employers just said, "we don't pay jury service"
4. In your two weeks, how much financially were you worse off.
I am over 400.00 worse off.
This is predominately aimed at the salaried monthly paid staff.
When you have been called up, and served your two weeks on the jury, how did your employers manage your salary?
1, Paid full salary, no need to claim off court
2, Claimed maximum daily amount (64.95) from court, and employers made up the difference
3. Claimed maximum daily amount (64.95) from court, and lost out financially, because your employers just said, "we don't pay jury service"
4. In your two weeks, how much financially were you worse off.
I am over 400.00 worse off.
I was paid as usual by my employer. I think there was something in the employment handbook saying how long they'd pay you for as usual, but I can't remember exactly - certainly longer than the two weeks I was there for. I was paid peanuts at the time so I probably wouldn't have lost out had they not paid me and I'd claimed the allowance instead. I claimed for my travel but as the court wouldn't reimburse parking costs I got the bus instead.
2, I'd actually say I was slightly worse off, but only by very little, my travel was paid for (I got the train instead of taking my car) & my lunch wasn't and lunch was slightly more expensive. Id say it perhaps balanced out.
You should have been aware of the situation before you did jury service and tried to get excluded on financial hardship. But too late now. You put yourself in this position.
You should have been aware of the situation before you did jury service and tried to get excluded on financial hardship. But too late now. You put yourself in this position.
Foliage said:
2, I'd actually say I was slightly worse off, but only by very little, my travel was paid for (I got the train instead of taking my car) & my lunch wasn't and lunch was slightly more expensive. Id say it perhaps balanced out.
You should have been aware of the situation before you did jury service and tried to get excluded on financial hardship. But too late now. You put yourself in this position.
Really helpful is that --- not---You should have been aware of the situation before you did jury service and tried to get excluded on financial hardship. But too late now. You put yourself in this position.
"You should have been aware of the situation before you did jury service and tried to get excluded on financial hardship. But too late now. You put yourself in this position."
Actually, I was lead to believe I would be payed my normal monthly salary.
However on the first Monday of jury service at about 09:45, already at the court, I got a phone call from H.R. saying they don't pay for jury service.
Brilliant
If there is a next time, I will just "go sick" for 2 weeks, on full sick pay.
Edited by Register1 on Tuesday 4th October 16:32
Register1 said:
Foliage said:
2, I'd actually say I was slightly worse off, but only by very little, my travel was paid for (I got the train instead of taking my car) & my lunch wasn't and lunch was slightly more expensive. Id say it perhaps balanced out.
You should have been aware of the situation before you did jury service and tried to get excluded on financial hardship. But too late now. You put yourself in this position.
Really helpful is that --- not---You should have been aware of the situation before you did jury service and tried to get excluded on financial hardship. But too late now. You put yourself in this position.
"You should have been aware of the situation before you did jury service and tried to get excluded on financial hardship. But too late now. You put yourself in this position."
Actually, I was lead to believe I would be payed my normal monthly salary.
However on the first Monday of jury service at about 09:45, already at the court, I got a phone call from H.R. saying they don't pay for jury service.
Brilliant
If there is a next time, I will just "go sick" for 2 weeks, on full sick pay.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 4th October 16:32
Jasandjules said:
When you informed the company of the requirement for time off what did they say?
They just said "OK"And I gave the paperwork, of which they made copies.
Then they firstly just booked me off for 1 day, the first Monday.
So I said to them, "You do know that jury service is 2 weeks"
So they amended the holiday cover board for the 2 weeks.
One attends as a juror, to listen to the given evidence, and decide the verdict, and justice is done, meanwhile, at work, it is anything but justice.
I feel hard done by, by losing over 400.00, but I know for next time, if there is a next time.
R1.
Taken from the GOV.UK website-
"If you don’t pay your employee, they can claim a loss of earnings allowance from the court.
You’ll have to fill out a Certificate of Loss of Earnings for the court, which your employee will get with their jury service letter.
If their jury service lasts longer than 3 months, put ‘Yes’ in the ‘Irregular payment pattern indicator’ field in your Full Payment Submission (FPS)."
So what happened to the loss of earnings certificate they sent you?
"If you don’t pay your employee, they can claim a loss of earnings allowance from the court.
You’ll have to fill out a Certificate of Loss of Earnings for the court, which your employee will get with their jury service letter.
If their jury service lasts longer than 3 months, put ‘Yes’ in the ‘Irregular payment pattern indicator’ field in your Full Payment Submission (FPS)."
So what happened to the loss of earnings certificate they sent you?
hedgefinder said:
Taken from the GOV.UK website-
"If you don’t pay your employee, they can claim a loss of earnings allowance from the court.
You’ll have to fill out a Certificate of Loss of Earnings for the court, which your employee will get with their jury service letter.
If their jury service lasts longer than 3 months, put ‘Yes’ in the ‘Irregular payment pattern indicator’ field in your Full Payment Submission (FPS)."
So what happened to the loss of earnings certificate they sent you?
Even when I have completed the loss of earnings, I am short by over 400.00"If you don’t pay your employee, they can claim a loss of earnings allowance from the court.
You’ll have to fill out a Certificate of Loss of Earnings for the court, which your employee will get with their jury service letter.
If their jury service lasts longer than 3 months, put ‘Yes’ in the ‘Irregular payment pattern indicator’ field in your Full Payment Submission (FPS)."
So what happened to the loss of earnings certificate they sent you?
The daily limit for "loss of Earnings" is just 64.95 per day is equivalent to just 20175.00 pa, which is also below average earnings.
If the courts want your (my) services, then surely they should have to pay your (my) full salary,
Medic-one said:
Work for the NHS.
Thanks,Register1 said:
1, Paid full salary, no need to claim off court
Was just taken of my rostered shifts but had no impact on my paycheck. This is what I was initially lead to believe would be the case, I would just be taken off my shifts, and a days engineer steps in to cover.
R1
I think it's entirely down to the employer, they do not HAVE to pay you. You are entitled to the allowance and that's it, without wishing to sound harsh, if you loose out, you loose out.
When I did it the plan was to claim the allowance then to top up, not sure if that happened lol will have to check!
When I did it the plan was to claim the allowance then to top up, not sure if that happened lol will have to check!
I did jury service last year.
Scenario 1 was how it worked for me.
Sorry to hear how it's played out for you, OP.
I agree in principle that it's unfair for you to be worse off having carried out a public service like that but I suppose they have to draw the line with what they pay, somewhere.
The maximum payment is a bit low, though, as you say.
Scenario 1 was how it worked for me.
Sorry to hear how it's played out for you, OP.
I agree in principle that it's unfair for you to be worse off having carried out a public service like that but I suppose they have to draw the line with what they pay, somewhere.
The maximum payment is a bit low, though, as you say.
Register1 said:
The daily limit for "loss of Earnings" is just 64.95 per day is equivalent to just 20175.00 pa, which is also below average earnings.
It is that amount for the first 10 days, then goes up to £129.91 (so about £40,000 pa) for day 11 to 200, and then goes up to £228.06 for day 201 onwards (so about £80,000).If your employer is playing games about your pay, you should play the game back. Your employer is required to give you the "time" off not the whole day off.
When I did jury service, if I recall correctly, it didn't start until 9 or 9.30, and finished by about 4. So there would have been nothing to stop me going into work before and after. There were days when we wouldn't know until 4pm whether we were needed the next day, and on one occasion told us not to turn up until the afternoon.
So turn up to work at 7.30am, tell them you will popping out to do jury service at 9, and will be back at 4pm and will work through to 6pm, and they can deduct your pay for the hours you are not working. Tell them omorrow you might be in all day or you might not, but you will let them know later that day..
Or they can stop being arses and not make their employee suffer the loss.
PF62 said:
When I did jury service, if I recall correctly, it didn't start until 9 or 9.30, and finished by about 4. So there would have been nothing to stop me going into work before and after. There were days when we wouldn't know until 4pm whether we were needed the next day, and on one occasion told us not to turn up until the afternoon.
For most people that won't be an option though. When I did my (2nd) service, I lived in Coventry, worked in Northampton and had jury service in Warwick. For the OP though, I got my full salary paid. Gassing Station | Speed, Plod & the Law | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff